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Old 09-19-2024, 08:17 PM
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Thanks for your report. I guess you now understand why I keep recommending it. And why I suggested sunday with the clothing optional going nude. On Friday and Saturday you have more younger folks in the evening, but sunday is special 😁



My favorite too. Others will prefer Vabali. I recommend if possible seeing both, or you are missing a lot.



I've already written this earlier, some trains have a connecting bus that takes you there. Station name is Kristallbad. So look for connections from HBF to Kristallbad on vbb.de . Last bus is 18:00/6pm, so if you go evenings which is better, you only have the walk back, or call a cab to the train station Ludwigsfelde.
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and Thank you Rudolf, for the original recommendations. I'd thought it only fair to extend the favor by sharing our experiences there, for any future travelers.
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Old 09-20-2024, 03:44 PM
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Finally there was kristall wohlfühltherme ludwigsfelde:

Now this is a true FKK paradise! We were only able to visit on the Sunday, which sounded a bit disappointed at first, since on Sunday till 17:30 swimsuits are allowed (in the pool, sauna's are still textile-free). But this turned out to be the best thing ever! Because swimsuits aren't mandatory during this period, you'll see a lot of fully naked people walking around in between all the swimsuit covered guests. For those that are very much into CFNM/CMNF, this place is an absolute heaven. Because of this rule you also see a lot of guests that clearly aren't used to the FKK way. What is also very nice is that around 17:30 all the swimsuits have to come off. While some guests move towards the exit by this point, many others will stay. Meaning that you'll get the incredible sight of seeing someone go fully naked for their first time. We loved seeing this! The people there are also the most diverse we've ever seen (it's an FKK pool after all). It really had all ages; from families all the way to a wheelchair bound, but fully naked (and shaven!) grandma. Also a lot of families, couples, singles and groups of men or woman. So whatever you are; you'll fit right in. Because it's an FKK pool there also isn't much privacy; showers for example are just a pole right in front of a pool exit. As a result you'll be seen naked continuously by many people, and visa versa.

We've seen many amazing sights here, some notable ones include:

The wheelchair bound grandma of course. She wasn't the nicest body to look at, but if anything encompasses the FKK experience it's this one. I had to take a peek if she shaved and was surprised to see she was fully bald! She would roll around the venue, indoors and outdoors, naked in the chair, and in sauna's would slowly get up and go inside. I didn't see how she handled showers since she left early on.

A 'typical' german mom, brunette, medium length hair, around B cup tits with a little sag in them. Down below she was fully shaven with quite visible pussy lips.

Her daughter was a lovely sight; teenager, also brunette like her mom, with her hair in a ponytail. She was very fit and had somewhere between an A and B cup. Down below she had a patch of black hair. A bit thicker than a landing strip, but no triangle. It was also well trimmed.

There also was a black woman there, somewhere in her late 30s. She was fully shaven and had probably the best ass there! Very round and just overall a really nice shape. Her tits were a decent B cup, with some sag in them. They bounced a bit, but I expected bigger tits with an ass that size.

The most gorgeous girl there was a teenager, around 18 I assume. She was blonde, with a well developed body. Not fit like an athlete, but enough in just the right places. She had the classic hourglass figure with great full ass and tits. Her C cups also had practically no sag and from the side had that classic 45/55 shape. Down below she was fully shaven.

One thing that got quite the looks (by all guests there) was a family; a mom and dad in their late 40s, both fully shaven, the mom had a decent B cup, with some sag in them, but not too much) and was pretty slim/thin. Dad was a bit hairy, with a bit of a belly, but not fat or anything. He had an average package. Their daughter was a teenager, blonde, B cup that were really firm, and she was also quite thin, like her mom. By the lack of tanlines this family were maybe nudists? What made so many guests look/stare when this group walked by was the grandpa; he was old, probably in his 70s? He also wasn't the fastest walker clearly. Body wise it's about what you expect with the loose skin, quite thin and was fully shaven. But dear god, he may have had one of the largest/thickest penises that ever existed! I think this monstrosity was flaccid almost 20 cm/8 inches long, and as thick as one of those tall slim soda cans. It was big enough that he had to physically hold it before he sat down on the sauna bench! If he's a shower it's still a massive cock, but looking at the wrinkles on that thing he might grow to 10 inches or even bigger. There wasn't a grandma there; He might have split her open a long time ago with that baseball bat.

Overall we liked Kristall the most. The crowd is very diverse, they have the biggest pools, many sauna's, both indoors and outdoors, a good garden, good food/drinks (Vabali was better, but pricier), lot's of loungers to relax in, and a lot of places to look and be looked at. Although it's FKK there are many people walking around with towels wrapped, so if you don't want to walk naked continuously, you won't have to. Kristall is the furthest from Berlin though, so take that into account. From the HBF it's about 30 minute by train, with another 25 minute walk. We recommend at least 4 hours there (we stayed almost 7 hours), so you're looking at a day trip to Ludwigsfelde. We only experienced it on the Sunday, so can recommend that day. Perhaps other days might see more people walk unwrapped, but you might miss the crowd that wouldn't dare to go try their first time on a fully naked day. This also works the other way around; If you aren't used to going nude, going on Sunday can help you get comfortable on your own tempo. At 17:30 you can then decide if you want to go all the way or not. Many did

Very nice ! I was looking for a review or KT on sunday beacause i had to go there on a saturday few years ago and the crowd was very old.
I love the cfnm thing and the clothing optional concept bring more young people i think.
Coulis you estimate the ratio between naked and clothed people ? Is there group of girls ? Not to much foreigner clothed boys ? Thanks
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Old 09-20-2024, 05:01 PM
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Don't visit KT in the morning, then the old folks are there. Go afternoon to evening. The clothing optional is meant for the locals who don't want to be seen nude by neighbors or colleagues.
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Old 09-20-2024, 05:29 PM
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She's not into the whole voyeur/exhibitionism scene (although I've noticed her taking peeks), but does like the whole pampering, fancy drinks by the pool, relaxing spa day. Since you two have already done spa's before I think your best bet is probably Vabali. While it was pricy, it was a very upscale place. You can probably bring it up as a treat / romantic/relaxing couples spa day for the two of you.

Also the nudity there isn't too extreme, since most people wear robes when walking. Although be warned: If it's a very sunny day there might be a lot of disrobed people suntanning in the garden area. That might be a shock to her. As far as going naked it's no different to any other spa; naked in sauna's, and a public shower after. After that she can put the robe back on. There are pools there that are fully naked, but you're covered by water.

Something more extreme would be Kristall, but I wouldn't recommend that for her first time. It's also less of a proper spa, and more something between a pool and spa.
MattNL, totally appreciate your insights. I think the very upscale piece is what will do the trick. A romantic couples spa day just for us. I can definitely sell her on that.

As for your "not into voyeur/exhibitionism scene" comment, I personally find it MORE exciting (if that's possible) that my wife's not "into it" either - and frankly a little shy. The whole embarrassed nude thing just brings it up 10 notches for me, knowing anyone that sees her will have seen something very rare, reserved for me and her doctor.

If you have experience at other spas, including hotel ones, I'd love to hear it.
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Old 09-21-2024, 04:57 AM
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Very nice ! I was looking for a review or KT on sunday beacause i had to go there on a saturday few years ago and the crowd was very old.
I love the cfnm thing and the clothing optional concept bring more young people i think.
Coulis you estimate the ratio between naked and clothed people ? Is there group of girls ? Not to much foreigner clothed boys ? Thanks
We went quite late, and as Rudolf mentioned a lot of people that come for clothing optional go early, so that may skew the ratio. I'd say the ratio between nude/clothed is around 70/30. There were a few groups of girls/guys there, but they weren't big. Usually 2 - 3 people max. There was a group of middle eastern men, but I was happy to see that they were also fully naked (so not just clothed and there to gawk).
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MattNL, totally appreciate your insights. I think the very upscale piece is what will do the trick. A romantic couples spa day just for us. I can definitely sell her on that.

As for your "not into voyeur/exhibitionism scene" comment, I personally find it MORE exciting (if that's possible) that my wife's not "into it" either - and frankly a little shy. The whole embarrassed nude thing just brings it up 10 notches for me, knowing anyone that sees her will have seen something very rare, reserved for me and her doctor.

If you have experience at other spas, including hotel ones, I'd love to hear it.
I know the feeling. When we entered pools I went first and it's good that I was covered by water. Because seeing my wife enter while all the people from in the pool watch definitely gave a good stir!

We didn't visit any other spa's there, but I'll be sure to mention any future experiences. Happy to hear yours when you've visited.
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Old 09-21-2024, 05:25 PM
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They now have bouncers in front of the entrance... a few single guys got turned away.
Why do you think those single guys got denied, was it their race or how they dressed or something else?
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Old 09-21-2024, 09:11 PM
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Why do you think those single guys got denied, was it their race or how they dressed or something else?
Our sample size is really small, so please take this into account. We arrived there on a very sunny day in the afternoon. Because of the weather there was a small queue at the door since a lot wanted to go suntanning. When we arrived we noticed a guy walking away from the queue (most likely denied). He was wearing just regular clothes (I think a T-shirt and jeans? Can't remember it that well) and was around our age (20s) and was white. A few moments later we saw another guy get send away. He was middle-eastern / turkish?, older (don't remember how old, but not in our age group at least) and looked unkempt (big beard and all). The guy right in front of us was probably a bit older (early 30s), white, but was wearing a dress shirt (like he just came from the office). He also seemed polite with the bouncers.

I don't know if it's a race or clothes thing. I think they just want to keep the clientele inside a bit more high class. Looking at the crowd inside it wouldn't surprise me if they were a bit racist in their door policy.

But I think if you look well dressed, and come across as polite / clean, that it wouldn't hurt your chances. Hence the advice to dress nice, and just pretend you're a proper FKK pro. Do make sure you have a reservation if it's a busy day. Without it even couples will get denied.
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There was and maybe still is a spa in Montreal owned and managed by a European couple. They had a strict policy that males must go full monty but females had an option to go full monty or wear a swimsuit. That spa may have been replaced by a condo by now.
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I don't know if it's a race or clothes thing. I think they just want to keep the clientele inside a bit more high class. Looking at the crowd inside it wouldn't surprise me if they were a bit racist in their door policy.
It is not racist. In Germany there are many problems with men from Islamic countries. It is a cultural problem.They treat women who are lightly clothed or nude as fair game for respectless behavior and sexual assaults. These men need to be kept out of Saunas or the place will go down the drain. One big Sauna (Blubb) even had to close because of the women weren't safe. Bouncer are often Arab or Turks to fend off those racism claims. If the men have a woman with them, they uaually are let in and behave.
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