General Drawn ENF

[Divides]

Originally Posted by grandeweasel

If it comes down to making a bunch of threads, let's make a bunch of threads. With the amazingly specific topics that are already out there ("Does anyone have pictures of girls with tanlines who are only wearing bras and are on the beach in the presence of two fully clothed girls who are looking at her butt at night?") it would hardly seem irregular. Besides, all semantics and technicalities aside, this is strictly about isolating that which has significant squick value for others, and I suspect we're all able to identify that when we see it, even when it's something we appreciate ourselves.

Most of this seems reasonable. That said, your last sentence... I wouldn't be so sure of that. In all honest, I, myself, am a little surprised to see people complaining about the presence of furies O_o...

Also, my point is kind of that EVERYTHING has significant squick value for others. A drawing style that's fine for one will weird out another. And a lot of people will be squicked out by seeing a work they "grew up on" sexualized. Not to mention the point I already made about why you need to better define "furry" in your request.

So if you're proposing we fine chop the works by category, then sure, as long as nobody else has a problem with that I won't complain (although I'm not sure what's stopping you from initiating this by starting a topic or two dedicated to a category that excludes that which you're squicked out by). But please don't think my point was about "semantics" or "technicalities." It was about a very real complicating factor with your request...


[EDIT ADDED]

Anyway, as for anyone not invested in this debate, I apologize for the kinda-sorta derail. I'd post up a picture as a peace-offering, but most of the ecchi cartoons I've got saved on my computer right now are anime, and I'm pretty sure almost all of what I have that isn't is stuff I took from this thread in the first place XD. Maybe I'll search for something later, though, or something...

[viridian]

Biker already has a thread dedicated to his works. I don't see why Cartoon Joe shouldn't make a separate thread either -- it would definite get more attention from forum-goers given how prolific he is.

Remember that splitting the thread means more visibility for the various sub-interests. A lot of people like furry, so it makes sense to make a separate thread so it's not buried in a topic full of other drawings, in the same way that this thread was made to gather non-Anime/Manga art, which was the dominant thread. It's not about "I don't like furry, gtfo"; it's about giving respect to the interest by making a separate thread where all things furry can be seen.

To me, it only makes sense.

[cartoonjoe2004]

Originally Posted by Jay042

Ask, and Ye Shall Receive! Though there's not much to this scene.

yeah, that was rather anti-climatic, wasn't it?

[haywood]

Originally Posted by viridian

Biker already has a thread dedicated to his works. I don't see why Cartoon Joe shouldn't make a separate thread either -- it would definite get more attention from forum-goers given how prolific he is.

I'd love an all Cartoon Joe thread. But a lot of his earlier stuff isn't as readily available.

And thats a crime I tells ya!

[SPLOTCH11]

by frank cho and adam hughes

[haywood]

Like these old ones from page 60 of the anime thread

[Zelten]

Is there anymore to the one where the three students are naked? I'd like to know how that occurred.

[grandeweasel]

Originally Posted by Divides

Most of this seems reasonable. That said, your last sentence... I wouldn't be so sure of that. In all honest, I, myself, am a little surprised to see people complaining about the presence of furies O_o...

Also, my point is kind of that EVERYTHING has significant squick value for others. A drawing style that's fine for one will weird out another. And a lot of people will be squicked out by seeing a work they "grew up on" sexualized. Not to mention the point I already made about why you need to better define "furry" in your request.

So if you're proposing we fine chop the works by category, then sure, as long as nobody else has a problem with that I won't complain (although I'm not sure what's stopping you from initiating this by starting a topic or two dedicated to a category that excludes that which you're squicked out by). But please don't think my point was about "semantics" or "technicalities." It was about a very real complicating factor with your request...

As easy as it is to start new threads, it's far more practical to make one about a specific subject than to make one about everything but a specific subject. And this is already the "General" thread, where features a lot of material I like to see.

I didn't anticipate having to explain why I object to the furry images, and this is honestly awkward considering how civilly this discussion is going. It's not really about seeing characters we "grew up on" (for my own part, at least, but if I might put forward general theory based on my own experience...) so much as it's about these same characters generally being children and other subjects that shouldn't be sexualized. There are reasons we frown on underage porn, even if it's hand drawn, and I feel that these same concerns apply to animals: these are both innocent subjects incapible of legal concent who can only suffer from being eroticized. When I see something with an animal's face that is clearly meant to be evocative, I can only associate it with saddening and appalling notions.

I don't want this to be taken as a judgement of anyone. While most people I know feel this way about fur porn, we do acknowledge that "furvert-ism" doesn't equate to bestiality any more than slasher-movie-fandom equates to sociopathy. One of our primary positions, incidentally, is "It's not like we have to look at fur-porn, or anything". Which is why I felt it was important to raise the subject.

As for where the line is drawn, it's been my experience that people can fairly consistently spot that uncanny valley between human-with-animal-features and animal-with-human-features. You mentioned people complaining about catgirls, and I've actually read speculation that this is more indicitive of general anti-furry sentiment than legitimate squick (I would argue that catgirls are just plain annoying as well, but that probably doesn't quite cover everything).

I think I've said all I have to say, so I'm gonna try to refrain from tying up this thread any more until I have some actual pictures to contribute.

[sporzem]

Robopal is back and I just gave him some good ideas to help him continued The Dastardly Deeds of Bill and Ben but there is a problem he has lost the hard drive that I kept all the Bill and Ben models on so if anyone can help that would be great.

[captainferal]