WNBR 2010

[flanker7]

This could get interesting.

hxxp://citypaper.net/blogs/clog/2010/09/07/philly-naked-bike-ride-infiltrated-by-purveyors-of-sleaze/

In the short term, I'm sure we all want to see the video. In the long term... well, we all know what happened to The Naked Mile. I don't expect that will happen here, as NM only disappeared because of a university administration stepping in and putting an end to it; if the kids had their way they'd still be running naked every year and throwing things at the camera crews. The vast majority of WNBR riders (as we can tell from the photographs) don't mind being photographed, and in fact many seem to welcome it. If you check the facebook pages from the various rides, the posting of photo galleries is a highly anticipated part of the experience.

This whole DVD controversy nicely illustrates the WNBR's ambivalence about photography. If you look at the Philly WNBR page, the same people that are posting photos are also condemning the DVD. Obviously the devil here is in the details. Take and post pictures of me for fun and you're my friend; take and post pictures of me for profit and you're my enemy. Some may think that's a distinction without a difference, but understand the logic. The potential for exploitation here is a clear and present danger to what these events are all about. I kind of like the status of WNBR video/photography right where it is: restrained and respectful, and fully in step with the fun, sexy and socially conscious spirit of the event itself.

[Klondike]

Originally Posted by flanker7

This could get interesting.

hxxp://citypaper.net/blogs/clog/2010/09/07/philly-naked-bike-ride-infiltrated-by-purveyors-of-sleaze/

In the short term, I'm sure we all want to see the video. In the long term... well, we all know what happened to The Naked Mile. I don't expect that will happen here, as NM only disappeared because of a university administration stepping in and putting an end to it; if the kids had their way they'd still be running naked every year and throwing things at the camera crews. The vast majority of WNBR riders (as we can tell from the photographs) don't mind being photographed, and in fact many seem to welcome it. If you check the facebook pages from the various rides, the posting of photo galleries is a highly anticipated part of the experience.

This whole DVD controversy nicely illustrates the WNBR's ambivalence about photography. If you look at the Philly WNBR page, the same people that are posting photos are also condemning the DVD. Obviously the devil here is in the details. Take and post pictures of me for fun and you're my friend; take and post pictures of me for profit and you're my enemy. Some may think that's a distinction without a difference, but understand the logic. The potential for exploitation here is a clear and present danger to what these events are all about. I kind of like the status of WNBR video/photography right where it is: restrained and respectful, and fully in step with the fun, sexy and socially conscious spirit of the event itself.

As the article states, they came posing as interviewers and ended up taking shots of genitals, etc. That is not something you can do without enraging riders because you are misrepresenting yourself for one, exploiting the entire situation for two, and three, just being....well....sleazy. PEriod.

No videos from WNBR should ever be sold for profit unless they are produced by the WNBR people themselves or have been contracted out to someone else by the ride organizers. It would be unconscionable for someone to do this without permission. I hope they take care of this little matter quickly and move on. Yuck..

Klondike

[Pedro the Fisherman]

Vivre Nue in France make HD videos (but only sell them as DL....4 gigs each) of both London and Brighton WNBR.


To my knowlege, this has the 'tentative' approval of the organisers.

The video (as well as showing pretty much every rider, as they are full length films) does go to great lengths to promote the cause and has interviews with many of the organisers too. It is, however, sold for profit. I have never seen a full video, but I am pretty sure it does not 'dwell' on certain body parts.

Philly vid is here, but I cannot see a preview?

hxxp://www.waptvshow.com/WAP_store/Preview_Pages/PNBR.htm

It might be a good time for somebody here to get a copy, before the lawyers get stuck in!

[flanker7]

Originally Posted by Pedro the Fisherman

Vivre Nue in France make HD videos (but only sell them as DL....4 gigs each) of both London and Brighton WNBR.


To my knowlege, this has the 'tentative' approval of the organisers.

The video (as well as showing pretty much every rider, as they are full length films) does go to great lengths to promote the cause and has interviews with many of the organisers too. It is, however, sold for profit. I have never seen a full video, but I am pretty sure it does not 'dwell' on certain body parts.

Philly vid is here, but I cannot see a preview?

hxxp://www.waptvshow.com/WAP_store/Preview_Pages/PNBR.htm

It might be a good time for somebody here to get a copy, before the lawyers get stuck in!

As you said, I think the distinction is that it's done in cooperation with the organizers. Also, I believe vivrenue's mission--profits notwithstanding--is to promote naturism/body freedom, which syncs nicely with the WNBR agenda.

And as far as the "interviews" go, I can't help but wonder if this wasn't just a misunderstanding. I don't want to defend slimy profiteers, but there was some discussion on the facebook site that the interviewers identified themselves and handed out business cards--some said they knew who they were talking to and some said they didn't. And obviously if you're naked someone has a camera and microphone in your face, it's understood you're going to appear somewhere. Maybe they thought it was just going to be a youtube video, etc., rather than a somewhat sensationally marketed DVD.

Again, this is where the gray area comes in, but I think all three of us agree the filmmakers are on the wrong side of that line.

[flanker7]

And Pedro, it says in smallish print on that link that the video will be released on September 20th.

And unless the filmmakers voluntarily cave in, I doubt legality will hold up the DVD. I think it's been well established in the U.S. that if you're doing something in public, anyone can tape you doing it and sell it for profit. The interviews might be a different story, but in these cases they usually just ask you if it's OK to use the footage, while they're taping. If you say yes, it's that's considered consent, and you've basically waived your rights to whatever you do on tape. That's how the whole G1rls G0ne W1ld thing operates. And as I said, the posts on facebook implied the cameramen did ask permission before they interviewed people. So even if these guys are wrong ethically, I believe the law is on their side.

[Pedro the Fisherman]

All we need now is somebody 'stateside' to order it and then post some of the best clips to a sharing site (for us here) then!!! Seems a shame not to miss something like this

[flanker7]

Some truly interesting youtube videos have cropped up today.

The first is a low-def (and low on the nudity unfortunately) "nude's-eye" video of the ride. Despite the lack of eye candy, it's really cool in that it spans the ride (in short segments) from beginning to end. You see the people undressing, then stopped in the middle of the street at stoplights while begin oggled by spectators, and we even see the naked girls cheering the riders as they go into the tunnel.

hxxp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn29_duNfVU

The next is an extremely high def (it tops out at 1080p if your connection can handle it) video of what appears to be the entire parade of riders passing by. I'm not a fan of the "fly-by" videos, but if you have a favorite girl you'll definitely see her here.

hxxp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_sdnbiA5kk

But this last video is an instant classic. First off, it's HQ at 720p. But the content is what makes this superior. Shot by a bystander, he not only captures the bikers passing by at the end of the ride, he mingles with them as they get dressed, pose for photos and generally hang out naked at the ride's endpoint in a public plaza.

hxxp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkmPjCp_cSk

I saved this last video, because 1) it's a keeper and 2) I can see it being the kind of video that disappears. I also attached some screens below.

http://rapidshare.com/files/41794865..._ride.mp4.html

[1Mnue1]

Here are some more of my London originals

[Bronne]

Originally Posted by flanker7

Some truly interesting youtube videos have cropped up today.

The first is a low-def (and low on the nudity unfortunately) "nude's-eye" video of the ride. Despite the lack of eye candy, it's really cool in that it spans the ride (in short segments) from beginning to end. You see the people undressing, then stopped in the middle of the street at stoplights while begin oggled by spectators, and we even see the naked girls cheering the riders as they go into the tunnel.

hxxp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn29_duNfVU

The next is an extremely high def (it tops out at 1080p if your connection can handle it) video of what appears to be the entire parade of riders passing by. I'm not a fan of the "fly-by" videos, but if you have a favorite girl you'll definitely see her here.

hxxp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_sdnbiA5kk

But this last video is an instant classic. First off, it's HQ at 720p. But the content is what makes this superior. Shot by a bystander, he not only captures the bikers passing by at the end of the ride, he mingles with them as they get dressed, pose for photos and generally hang out naked at the ride's endpoint in a public plaza.

hxxp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkmPjCp_cSk

I saved this last video, because 1) it's a keeper and 2) I can see it being the kind of video that disappears. I also attached some screens below.

http://rapidshare.com/files/41794865..._ride.mp4.html

THANKS!!!

[Fango]

The preview for the DVD has gone up: youtube.com/watch?v=YL8Py2dpm5w

Enjoy

Fango