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#131
06-25-2008, 05:38 PM
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I thought I would play 'spot the repeat rider' and came a cross this little redhead. Here she is in klondike's paint party pic from 2007 as an 'all american girl' and in 2008 she seems to be the US rock duo 'White Stripes'!!
I also came across a great mass ride shot that includes one of the 'unpainted pair'.
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#132
06-25-2008, 06:22 PM
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These next ones were so big I had to cut some in two
 , so they could fit here without compromising on detail! They include a great 'zebra girl' shot with some of her normally 'hidden parts' captured on display and the un-painted pair where the goods have been well and truly handle-barred!
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#133
06-25-2008, 06:48 PM
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An Open letter
To say it's been a miserable week would be the understatement of the year. I finally got up the courage to crawl off my pitty-pot and speak out (for what it's worth) because I feel that over the years I've come to appreciate, respect and admire many of you and I owe some of you that much.
By now you've figured out that the now infamous photos of me aren't really me at all. Yes, it's true I lied to Klondike privately about what I looked like after last year's ride and then things spiraled out of control and before I knew it the false photos were plastered all over the place and I was too chicken to speak out after the cat was out of the box. Yes, I did in FACT ride naked in last year's parade (the ONLY time I did it) and it was the best thing I've ever experienced in my life. I was indeed inspired by Klondike to actually make the trip many months beforehand and my account of what happened that I posted here was accurate and true (except for my color scheme of course). So why lie? I've been called mysterious by some of you. Not really. It was just a case of self-preservation and perhaps a little remorse for taking such a bold step last year. I am indeed shy and awkward in public. Riding in the parade took a lot of guts and I'm STILL amazed even now that I could find the courage to do it. Unfortuantely after all was said and done I didn't have the courage to "identify" myself to all of you. When I saw pictures of the REAL me popping up all over the Internet after the ride I panicked. Klondike, rightfully proud of what I did later asked me in a pm what I looked like the day of the ride. He so wanted to post pictures of me and even get me to submit pics to The Ladies of OCC. He was so excited! I admired him so much I didn't want to disappoint him but I didn't know how to tell him 'no' without hurting his feelings. Just saying 'no' seems easy now but back then I just couldn't do it. Yeah, I know he's probably feeling worse now and that does bother me more than any of you will ever know or will probably even believe, but its true. You see, putting a label - a name - to my REAL pics was more than I could handle emotionally or physcologically. Yes they're out there - too easy to find really. The Internet reaches places all over the world. I knew how clever you guys were - the fact that your detective work only took minutes after the parade to figure out my little fib is proof of that. My biggest fear was and still is being discovered by people I know. Riding naked last year was a risk that I decided to take. I took precautions that, in my own mind at least, helped me talk myself into doing it. If people did manage to suspect me by finding a photo I had plausible deniablity built in with good and trusted friends of mine (eg, who would vouch that I was miles away from that parade last year, etc, etc). BUT if I identified myself to all of YOU there was no way to control for all the possibities. For example if one or more of you living in my homestate spotted me out and about and approached me talking about my naked pics -especially in front of family or coworkers I'd be screwed. Most of you I'm sure wouldn't do such a thing but how many members belong to OCC? Too many to take the risk. Yes I'm not really that bright and looking back perhaps there was a better way to handle this. For whatever pain or disappointments I may have caused I'm truly sorry. I'm not sorry I protected myself mind you just that I didn't think things through too clearly back then. Lastly, and this is to SAL32, I may deserve all your ridicule or castigation. I accept that. But it's just down right cruel and mean-spirited to question my gender. That's pretty low - even for you. I am who I say I am and I happen to be married to a great and supportive husband who understands my crazy and often unpredictable mind. And personally I don't give a hoot whether you believe it or not. I'll go crawl under my rock now and leave you all alone. Oh and if some of you DO happen to figure out who I really am in last year's photos, and it's highly probable that someone might given the talent on this board, please just keep it to yourself. Torre.
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#134
06-25-2008, 08:08 PM
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What you have said is VERY logical and makes absolutely perfect sense to me. And in my communications with Sal32, who has long played the role of the doubter here, we discussed this very scenario as to what actually happened last year. But now, before I go any further - I'm sure you must realize that you are facing a somewhat more skeptical Klondike than you have dealt with before. Burn me once, but don't burn me twice, in otherwords. What I'm saying is - I'd like SOME kind of PROOF that indeed you rode last year, or at the very least, made it all the way out to Seattle. Surely there is something you can tell me very specifically about the ride that only a rider would know, or something about the Fremont district or Seattle, etc that only someone who has been there would know. It could be anything - a street or geographical reference, somebody you ran into, the hotel, etc. No one is going to come away from that experience without having or remembering something that can be used as evidence. Even credit/debit card transactions or you know - the type of stuff an investigator would try to dig up. Then you can pm me or post it here. I understand that even proof can be faked, but its worth a shot. I hate to say it, but after all thats gone down the past week, the burden of proof is on YOU, my dear  Otherwise, your story, if true, is compelling and still worthy of admiration and support from me as well as the rest of us here. So perhaps you did ride naked, but are not keen on the idea of having your pic splashed across the net. Welcome to the club! That is nothing to be ashamed of! We KNOW that this attitude is shared by lots of women, and that is why we've been doing a bit of soul searching ourselves of late as photogs. Of course, I would still like to know which rider was REALLY you, and maybe we can discuss that in private. But I don't HAVE to know, and I think I said the same thing last year. But Torre, whoever you are and whatever you did - WE have a relationship. And like any relationship, its had its ups and downs and times when we just had to trust one another. In my last post to this thread, I wrote "mysterious (disgraced?)" when refering to you. Now I'll have you know, I first wrote ONLY "mysterious", then ONLY "disgraced". In otherwords, I couldn't make up my mind, so I just included both words. Now, its up to you to prove to us without a shadow of a doubt that you are not playing games or making things up. That is, prove to us you are only mysterious and not disgraced. PROVE TO US THAT YOU RODE!! - or at the very least - prove you were indeed in Seattle on or about June 16th of last year!And as for your gender.......Well, you WRITE like a woman, thats all I can say!!! Klondike Last edited by Klondike; 06-25-2008 at 08:22 PM.
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#135
06-25-2008, 08:59 PM
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Since I wrote it, I'm going ahead with the post, although Klondike is more eloquent. Thank you for your message / explanation. For myself, I am prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt. HOWEVER, in my opinion, you do owe Klondike a separate apology. If, as you say, you were in the 07 event, it is not important that I know specifically which rider was Torre. It would even be fun to speculate. On the other hand, Klondike is one of the most ethical members of OCC, not even getting into the quality of his work. If you were to whisper your little secret to him, I do not think that he would betray you. He put his credibility "out front" on your behalf. In my opinion, I think you owe him a big one. I doubt very much that your security would be threatened. He deserves your trust. The rest of us can live with the mystery. Beyond all that, this too will pass. I'm hoping that we will continue to enjoy your input and participation.
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#136
06-25-2008, 09:38 PM
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And PS - Torre, i do believe you are a woman, but I also wonder how much influence your husband has on your activities and writings, etc. And PPS - no, I don't expect you to supply credit card transactions showing your credit card number.... thanks, nothere - Klondike Last edited by Klondike; 06-25-2008 at 09:49 PM.
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#138
06-25-2008, 10:09 PM
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"Given the . ... sacrifices some on this board have made . . ."
What sacrifices? No one helped me PAY for my trip, offered me lodging, helped me obtain a bike, took any personal risks. No "I" made all the sacrifices and took ALL the risks. I don't OWE anyone ANYTHING - period! Yes, I was wrong not to make a better decision as to how to handle this thing but as I see it I've already screwed my credibility beyond repair. I have apologized and it was sincere. Anything more will only perpetuate this misery and detract from the otherwise friendly atmosphere that this place seems to stand for. Personally the mods should close this thread and ya'll should move on. At this point nothing more can be gained. Some will believe, some won't and some will care less. No one is a martyr here certainly none of the arm chair lurkers who only want to add to my humiliation. "I" know what I did last year and so do a handful of others that were there with me and suported me on my ride. Most of the scenarios depicted on this board are only fantasies that exist in the Ether we call cyberspace. I am real person with real feelings and real issues in my life that I have to deal with. Walk a mile in my flip flops and see what it is like. Thanks for those who pm'd me tonight with their support and thanks to you Klondike for everything. Thanks also for saying that I write like a girl. I have been told that I throw a ball like one too. As far as I'm concerned, it is finished. Torre
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#139
06-25-2008, 10:39 PM
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I'm sorry for it to end this way, but I did feel that my trust was betrayed. I did take some personal risks and put my reputation here at OCC on the line for you. Now you have apologized and I accept that. After all, I do recall at times feeling as though I was maybe pushing you too hard last year to "come out" at OCC. For that I apologize too. It would have probably been better for me to take my comments off line. But whats done is done, and apparently you are "done" too. So I will go back to where I was yesterday - not really knowing what happened last year, but still feeling as though I deserve to know, to REALLY know... Klondike Last edited by Klondike; 06-25-2008 at 10:43 PM.
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#140
06-26-2008, 03:03 AM
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So you lied cause you didn't want to hurt klondike feelings.
Well lets just say i find that a little hard to swallow. If you've been here long enough, in which case you have, you would know klondike is eveything nothere says in his post x 10. A simple private message to klondike, saying 'i was such and such rider', and/or a simple note to the forum just saying, 'hey guys i rode in the parade but i'm don't want to let on which rider i was cause of family, co-workers etc.' And that would have been very understandable. Then just the mentioning of a particular landmark or the color/name of a building would have been enough to prove you were there. Perhaps you were there, if so then i tend to believe that the making up of the rider you were was just to spice up your recount of the adventure. I can't help but think that this story telling stuff your in, got the better of you! As for questioning your gender, call me paranoid(amongst other things), but in the past few months we've been getting people posting pics of themselves only to later discover the pics were either taken from a website and/or photoshopped etc. So that's why i can't help wearing the sherlock cap. And i wouldn't make those remarks unless i have, in my opinion, good reasons. To get to the point, and klondike somewhat touched on this, in my opinion all the posts posted under torretxt since join-up were not all by one gender. anyways whatever the case, i don't think this will effect the price of eggs in china --- lets get back on track more pics
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