Which Do You Prefer; ENF or EUF? (POLL)

[HumiliationInc]

Originally Posted by topgearfan1422

Watching a movie from the 40’s 50’s or 60’s when standards were a bit more conservative and seeing a woman exposed in her underwear and it looks more embarrassing but today I feel like it doesn’t quite have the same impact.

I tend to agree. As I stated in my above post, I remember back in the mid-00s when it was perfectly fashionable for a woman to wear a tank top and not make any attempt to cover her bra straps. I wasn't a fan. Part of the appeal of underwear is the private nature of them and what makes good EUF is the shame of being exposed in them. When there isn't that taboo, it loses impact. But that impact is clear in older movies. A woman getting stripped to her unmentionables wasn't just about cheap T&A. There was clearly a shame aspect to it that ran the gamut from simply embarrassed to downright humiliation, the latter often in exploitation and b-movies. The only mainstream films in the past 10 years I can think of that really hit on that level are the cargo hold scene in Iron Sky and the dress cutting scene in the Harley Quinn movie, the former being more toward the embarrassed side and the latter being more toward the humiliation side.

And also, whenever there is a stripping scene in contemporary media, the woman is often wearing "sexy" or "flirty" underwear. In other words, something that is meant to be seen. I'm a bigger fan of more demure lingerie choices and I think the 60s and the 80s were the two golden eras of women's undies (at least from a straight guy's perspective!). I favor stuff like 18-Hour bras and French cut briefs. It's why the secretary scene from Nutty Professor II is classic. She's not wearing some super low-plunge, sheer-cup, stripper wardrobe bra from the sexy lingerie store. She's wearing a basic white bra with some feminine detailing you'd find in the lingerie department at JCPenney.

I think a lot of Japanese films, particularly JAVs, still focus on showing underwear being super taboo, so I've started paying a lot more to them over Western fair. But I'll still search and mine older films for those gems!

TL, DR: Cultural and fashion progress is undermining my fetishy interests!

[lonmol]

Originally Posted by HumiliationInc

I tend to agree. As I stated in my above post, I remember back in the mid-00s when it was perfectly fashionable for a woman to wear a tank top and not make any attempt to cover her bra straps. I wasn't a fan. Part of the appeal of underwear is the private nature of them and what makes good EUF is the shame of being exposed in them. When there isn't that taboo, it loses impact. But that impact is clear in older movies. A woman getting stripped to her unmentionables wasn't just about cheap T&A. There was clearly a shame aspect to it that ran the gamut from simply embarrassed to downright humiliation, the latter often in exploitation and b-movies. The only mainstream films in the past 10 years I can think of that really hit on that level are the cargo hold scene in Iron Sky and the dress cutting scene in the Harley Quinn movie, the former being more toward the embarrassed side and the latter being more toward the humiliation side.

And also, whenever there is a stripping scene in contemporary media, the woman is often wearing "sexy" or "flirty" underwear. In other words, something that is meant to be seen. I'm a bigger fan of more demure lingerie choices and I think the 60s and the 80s were the two golden eras of women's undies (at least from a straight guy's perspective!). I favor stuff like 18-Hour bras and French cut briefs. It's why the secretary scene from Nutty Professor II is classic. She's not wearing some super low-plunge, sheer-cup, stripper wardrobe bra from the sexy lingerie store. She's wearing a basic white bra with some feminine detailing you'd find in the lingerie department at JCPenney.

I think a lot of Japanese films, particularly JAVs, still focus on showing underwear being super taboo, so I've started paying a lot more to them over Western fair. But I'll still search and mine older films for those gems!

TL, DR: Cultural and fashion progress is undermining my fetishy interests!

The thing is, women aren't embarrassed to show their underwear anymore. Thanks to the internet, anything goes. I mean, there are actually two days each year on which people ride the trains, and walk around in public without their pants!

[lonmol]

Originally Posted by HumiliationInc

I tend to agree. As I stated in my above post, I remember back in the mid-00s when it was perfectly fashionable for a woman to wear a tank top and not make any attempt to cover her bra straps. I wasn't a fan. Part of the appeal of underwear is the private nature of them and what makes good EUF is the shame of being exposed in them. When there isn't that taboo, it loses impact. But that impact is clear in older movies. A woman getting stripped to her unmentionables wasn't just about cheap T&A. There was clearly a shame aspect to it that ran the gamut from simply embarrassed to downright humiliation, the latter often in exploitation and b-movies. The only mainstream films in the past 10 years I can think of that really hit on that level are the cargo hold scene in Iron Sky and the dress cutting scene in the Harley Quinn movie, the former being more toward the embarrassed side and the latter being more toward the humiliation side.

And also, whenever there is a stripping scene in contemporary media, the woman is often wearing "sexy" or "flirty" underwear. In other words, something that is meant to be seen. I'm a bigger fan of more demure lingerie choices and I think the 60s and the 80s were the two golden eras of women's undies (at least from a straight guy's perspective!). I favor stuff like 18-Hour bras and French cut briefs. It's why the secretary scene from Nutty Professor II is classic. She's not wearing some super low-plunge, sheer-cup, stripper wardrobe bra from the sexy lingerie store. She's wearing a basic white bra with some feminine detailing you'd find in the lingerie department at JCPenney.

I think a lot of Japanese films, particularly JAVs, still focus on showing underwear being super taboo, so I've started paying a lot more to them over Western fair. But I'll still search and mine older films for those gems!

TL, DR: Cultural and fashion progress is undermining my fetishy interests!

I haven't seen the Harley Quinn movie. What happens in the dress cutting scene, and who's dress is cut off?

[HumiliationInc]

Originally Posted by lonmol

I haven't seen the Harley Quinn movie. What happens in the dress cutting scene, and who's dress is cut off?

Bojana Novakovic is the name of the actress. In essence, she's hanging out at the main bad guy's nightclub and in a cruel show of power, the big bad makes one of the guy's in Novakovic's party cut off her dress in public. Undie glory ensues. The scene definitely leans more toward the humiliation side rather than the embarrassment side, so those who really don't get into the former probably wouldn't dig it as much. It really has more of the vibe you'd see from a 70s or 80s exploitation movie.

[lonmol]

Originally Posted by HumiliationInc

Bojana Novakovic is the name of the actress. In essence, she's hanging out at the main bad guy's nightclub and in a cruel show of power, the big bad makes one of the guy's in Novakovic's party cut off her dress in public. Undie glory ensues. The scene definitely leans more toward the humiliation side rather than the embarrassment side, so those who really don't get into the former probably wouldn't dig it as much. It really has more of the vibe you'd see from a 70s or 80s exploitation movie.

Found some caps from that Birds of Prey scene. Do we see her panties, or just her bra?

[HumiliationInc]

Originally Posted by lonmol

Do we see her panties

The top for a split second and a little bit of the back. It's not a great panty scene.

Here's a link to it on YouTube: hxxps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiwRriVkZh4

[Dookieman]

I like both, but EUF has the edge for me... since it and the general panty/legs fetish for me all originate from the legendary scene in Poltergeist featuring Jo Beth Williams with just that t-shirt and panties, getting rolled up a wall...the view of her incredible legs and panties...her reaction as she keeps frantically trying to cover....it is perfection. That scene would blow me up sooo many times over the years. haha she probably inspired that particular fetish for a lot of us out there, thanks to that 1 scene.

*note---best of both worlds, imo... is when it's EUF... but the underwear in question is also see-thru! It's giving us both visuals at the same time there...

[lonmol]

Originally Posted by Dookieman

I like both, but EUF has the edge for me... since it and the general panty/legs fetish for me all originate from the legendary scene in Poltergeist featuring Jo Beth Williams with just that t-shirt and panties, getting rolled up a wall...the view of her incredible legs and panties...her reaction as she keeps frantically trying to cover....it is perfection. That scene would blow me up sooo many times over the years. haha she probably inspired that particular fetish for a lot of us out there, thanks to that 1 scene.

*note---best of both worlds, imo... is when it's EUF... but the underwear in question is also see-thru! It's giving us both visuals at the same time there...

So many people cite that Poltergeist scene as the reason they have a panty fetish (it was originally going to be a full frontal nude scene).

[CATOneCC123]

Honestly, I prefer ETF (embarrassed topless female), where a woman has her breasts or bra exposed, and then has to make a makeshift handbra with her hands. See Julia Schultz in Nutty Professor II: The Klumps (2000) as a good example of this:
hxxp://ancensored.com/clip/Nutty-Professor-II-The-Klumps/Julia-Schultz/5d6d30b4697a8551603e7ee2
I only wish there were more scenes in mainstream movies and TV shows similar to the one I've linked to above. Does anyone else have any additional ETF/handbra scenes they could let me know about?

[lonmol]

Originally Posted by CATOneCC123

Honestly, I prefer ETF (embarrassed topless female), where a woman has her breasts or bra exposed, and then has to make a makeshift handbra with her hands. See Julia Schultz in Nutty Professor II: The Klumps (2000) as a good example of this:
hxxp://ancensored.com/clip/Nutty-Professor-II-The-Klumps/Julia-Schultz/5d6d30b4697a8551603e7ee2
I only wish there were more scenes in mainstream movies and TV shows similar to the one I've linked to above. Does anyone else have any additional ETF/handbra scenes they could let me know about?

For pure topless ENF, it's hard to beat this Lauren Cohan scene from The Walking Dead.