What happens when a voyeur gets caught?

[Klondike]

I wonder how many times people have run into this: (its not a voyeur photography story, but voyeur related)

At Blacks Beach about 15 years ago, I went once after not having gone for many years. I knew the beach was changing not for the better, but I still hoped I would have a good day. I didn't....

What happened on that day was that most of the regulars and women were crowded into this one small area. Elsewhere the beach, which is vast, was very lightly populated, and so I didn't see much point in putting my blanket anywhere else but in the crowded area. But soon after I put down, I noticed that a young, muscular dude was standing smack dab in the middle of this area watching everything that was going on around him. He had his arms folded and he was scanning the crowd continuously. Immediately surrounding him were most of the naked women to be found on the beach that day, and so I figured that his job was to protect them. So.......what did that mean for me? Well, about 5 minutes after I put down, he grabbed a beach umbrella, walked towards me, and stuck it in the sand right in front of my blanket to block my view of the girls. He made sure he angled it just right so that my view would be completely blocked. And then I saw him do this repeatedly with other voys that put down in that area after me. He must have brought a lot of umbrellas to the beach today.

I have never observed this anywhere before or since on any nude beach. it was just sad. I left the beach wondering what the world was coming to. And I have never been back to Black's....

Klondike

[pjbeachfun]

It's that kind of aggressive, antisocial behavior that really aggravates me when I go to the beach. I've seen a number of issues with this kind of antisocial behavior, mostly at Gunnison and the late Lighthouse Beach.

The group(s) of people who think they "own" the beach and impose their opinions on visitors and intrude on your enjoyment. It doesn't matter if these individuals are right or wrong, they are emboldened by having the "mob mentality" behind them to push their agendas. Usually they are a bunch of older guys. And there is a skinny dipping creek in near upstate NY that if you are not "in" with the regulars, they will make you feel very unwelcome- even though it is an open wilderness area that anyone may visit.

Putting up windscreens too close to the water, so others who come with a chair and/or towel have their view of the water and beach blocked. Or getting walled in by windscreens, tents, etc. period. And I'm not just talking about checking out some nice ladies. I like to see the beach and the water- that is why I'm outdoors!

[Klondike]

Originally Posted by pjbeachfun

It's that kind of aggressive, antisocial behavior that really aggravates me when I go to the beach. I've seen a number of issues with this kind of antisocial behavior, mostly at Gunnison and the late Lighthouse Beach.

The group(s) of people who think they "own" the beach and impose their opinions on visitors and intrude on your enjoyment. It doesn't matter if these individuals are right or wrong, they are emboldened by having the "mob mentality" behind them to push their agendas. Usually they are a bunch of older guys. And there is a skinny dipping creek in near upstate NY that if you are not "in" with the regulars, they will make you feel very unwelcome- even though it is an open wilderness area that anyone may visit.

My least favorite regulars are the older guys who cozy up to all the cute naked girls visiting for the first time, and let them know they are there to protect them from all the voys. This is about as low as it gets, because you know they are there to sneak peeks and are probably among the biggest voys themselves. But no - of course its the OTHER guys who are the voys, not them! I've even seen guys hand out cards to the girls. The cards are supposedly for the girls to hand to voys that are bothering them, and say things like "its not polite to stare" or something like that. Again, this is so devious, because you know this is just another ploy to get close up views and conversation with the cute girls.

Also, its really biased to adopt an OBVIOUS policy of favoring female newbies over male newbies.
I know, you would often like to pump the F:M ratio a bit. I can relate to that. But in any public space it is probably legally discriminatory for one to try and put this into practice. I could probably take you to court if you don't allow me the same rights that you do a woman. So obstructing my view with an umbrella while you cozy up to and protect the women might be a violation of my rights to occupy a public space. I also know that sometimes nude beach regulars will attempt to close off or semi close off an area of the beach to keep the voys out. Again - legally?
What ownership rights do you have based solely on the fact that you go to the beach a lot more often than someone else? its still a public beach.

Klondike

[Scott Goodman]

Originally Posted by Beachlive

Why did the police take you in if you weren't taking pictures?

i suspect he was just peeping or looking...depending on where, he could've been arrested if he was peering into someone's window even if he wasn't taking pics or video.

[Scott Goodman]

Originally Posted by Klondike

My least favorite regulars are the older guys who cozy up to all the cute naked girls visiting for the first time, and let them know they are there to protect them from all the voys. This is about as low as it gets, because you know they are there to sneak peeks and are probably among the biggest voys themselves. But no - of course its the OTHER guys who are the voys, not them! I've even seen guys hand out cards to the girls. The cards are supposedly for the girls to hand to voys that are bothering them, and say things like "its not polite to stare" or something like that. Again, this is so devious, because you know this is just another ploy to get close up views and conversation with the cute girls.

Klondike

i agree...and i bet it is more then just to get close and stare, but inside them too......so from your experience, did you ever see any of these older guys pick up any young gal at the beaches you went to and scored!!

[pjbeachfun]

It's stuff like these shenanigans at Sandy Hook/ Gunnison that burn me up and probably what Klondike was talking about (reposted pic)

[Klondike]

Originally Posted by Scott Goodman

i agree...and i bet it is more then just to get close and stare, but inside them too......so from your experience, did you ever see any of these older guys pick up any young gal at the beaches you went to and scored!!

no, but I don't pay all that much attention to that... Frankly, though - most of these guys are more nudists than swingers, at least at my beach.

No, they just welcome the girls, ask them "is this your first time?", "where are you from?" etc. I never get approached and asked that....

Anyway, my biggest issue right now at my own beach is clothed users, male and female. They seem to be locals.
There was a group of 10 the other day right smack in the middle of the beach. Not so much as one T-shirt came off. I want to have the power to enforce nudity! Heh, Heh.... I guess frankly I would rather see the regulars doing whatever they do with impunity than see hoards of clothed users. At least the former are naked...

Klondike

[melioto]

Originally Posted by Beachlive

Why did the police take you in if you weren't taking pictures?

It was a music festival, and the girls had the habit to leave the shower cabin doors open, I was just standing nearby "casually", but one of them complained to the police. When I noticed I'd been soptted I tried to leave, but it was too late. I was interrogated, identified and they took my entrance pass.

[nopubes]

I'll reply from the other side. Although my wife and I are exhibitionists first and foremost we don't like people taking photos of us without our consent. We've caught people a few times and it's always bothersome.

More often than not I'll simply ask the person to delete any pictures they've taken of us. I do it very level-headed and calm and this approach works 80% of the time. If you don't make a scene then they can continue on with their activities.

If the person refuses or is trying to be evasive I tell them I'm a camera buff, also enjoy voyeur photography and want to check their set-up out. This disarms them and then I remove the memory card and "accidentally" snap it in half or drop it in the ocean. Whoops.

My final tact is to grab my iPhone and begin taking pictures of them telling them, loudly, that I will post their pictures all over the internet so everyone can laugh at how ugly, out of shape, and small their penis' are. This generally creates a scene and since 99% of people on a nude beach don't want to be taped the voyeur is confronted with a mob and generally leaves in shame. On one occasion the mob grabbed the camera and destroyed it.

One gentleman called the police when another guy I was with, who helped me confront the voyeur, destroyed the memory card. When the police officer arrived I simply said that the individual was taking photos of underage children and it was not anyone's intent to destroy evidence. The officer could ask anyone else on the beach whether the guy was taking nude pictures of children (knowing that the mob would go against the voyeur) and the guy spit on me. He was then arrested for simple assault and we've never seen him again (not sure if he was charged with anything else. Since it was witnessed by the officer I didn't have to press charges).

Yes, it's a bit of a double-standard as I enjoy nude beach pictures as much as everyone else. If you're going to take photos, which I respect you have a legal right to do, then be open about it so folks who want to cover up (or opt out) can. The reality is if some people are "caught" in a photograph like this then their personal and professional lives could be put in jeopardy.

If you conceal and are caught the reactions are much more visceral. I've seen some ugly confrontations on beaches from folks who don't try the level-headed route (ironically one of the worst confrontations I every witnessed was from the boyfriend of a lady that's been posted on here, and other sites, many many times). It's not fun for anyone and ends up ruining the beach experience. I know we always question whether we want to go back after a day like that.

[voyscream24]

Originally Posted by pjbeachfun

It's stuff like these shenanigans at Sandy Hook/ Gunnison that burn me up and probably what Klondike was talking about (reposted pic)

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