WNBR 2017

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[WorldNakedBikeRider]

I'm a rider, organiser and photographer at the naked bike rides. I'd like to have a genuine discussion about photography and the ride. I realise that this thread is primarily about photos, but I'd like to make this one comment here. Then I suggest we move discussion over to another thread.

As I photographer, I get that the law in the UK allows photography in a public space. It also says that it's illegal to harass somebody - my understanding is that taking multiple photos without permission could constitute harassment. But it's not legality I'm really appealing to, but respecting the riders.

Every rider knows they are going to get photographed - that's really not the problem. It's great fun to ride naked down a busy street and see the people watching smile, then reach for their phone to take a quick snap. What's not so fun is the wall of photographers leaving somewhere like the Brighton ride start. Then seeing the photographers run over the park to take yet more photos. It feels like a line has definitely been crossed - and it makes many riders uncomfortable and angry. Especially the young women who are most likely to be targeted by photographers.

Ultimately, I believe excessive photography will kill the rides. That's not what any of us want, so let's make photography and discussion more respectful. Cataloguing women is just creepy, there are so many posts "she rode in Bristol 2015, then Brighton 2016 and 2017". I'm friends with several of the "forum favourites" and I know they are sickened by this behaviour.

Originally Posted by fdooby

And that there is nothing (I hope) deemed dubious about any of the stuff I take at the Brighton and other rides.

I personally didn't have too much hassle. But a lot of folks did. And the fun party atmosphere was seriously undermined by this constant brainwashing of the riders that they have some kind of legal right to cavort naked in public and not be photographed without their express consent. You have no such grief in London. The organisation of that ride is superb.

Speaking to lots of riders yesterday, it seems that many of them are annoyed by the heavy handed attitude in Brighton.

Agreed fdooby, there's nothing dubious about the photos you load onto flickr - in fact, they are definitely some of the best ride photos out there But why do you feel the need to come and post them here?

I reckon probably spoke with more riders than you - many of them are very annoyed by the obsessive photographers. And I assure you the fun party atmosphere of the riders is undermined by excessive photography. Cuts both ways, doesn't it? But yet the riders could have fun and make their point without so many photos - the photographers are dependent on the riders for their fun.

Originally Posted by hunter_usa2003

I was asked why I was going to take pictures and was accused of being a pornographer

It's a good question though - why do you take pictures? You seem to be quick to come and post them here - ask yourself what type of forum this is.

Originally Posted by Pedro the Fisherman

I'm sure she would be horrified to find herself pictured here

I'm sure you're right Pedro. You know as well as anybody the joy of being around naked young women. We should do all we can to encourage people to feel comfortable to join in on a ride or at a beach in the future.

Originally Posted by fdooby

But the war against snappers has reached the point now where many people are going to stop covering this ride. I try to keep a civil tongue in my head but was forced to use some strong words today.

Yes, stronger measures were in place at Brighton. This is going to be a trend. Well known photographers who lack respect have been excluded from rides this year.

Originally Posted by londondude_01

I did the ride and have to agree - the marshalls and stewards (and the riders, too) were very anti photographer today - much more than ever before.

At the second rest stop, the riders had the police remove a photographer from the area - the first time I've ever seen that.

Yes, definitely a strong anti-photographer vibe. I have to say I didn't take many photos this year. But I'd prefer the ride continue and get bigger, over taking photos. I think it will get less and less friendly towards photographers, if the current behaviour of photographers continues as is.

There was a big cheer when the police did remove the photographer though!

[Pedro the Fisherman]

I was a steward for several years and had to deal with the pushy snappers at the Level. I got into trouble one year suggesting the Asians (Indian sub continent in the UK) seemed to be the worst, but from my experiences, they often ignored request to allow riders some privacy. This was before the current screened area came into use.

These guys just stuck a lens within inches of the girls and fired away, no respect at all. I've taken ride photos (posted here in the past) but they are usually random groups or posed for a request type photos. Some, I've never posted as they were of friends and yes, I've appeared myself in photos, even ones here......but not as the main subject, thankfully.

Be respectful and polite, take shots from a bystander position only and things may not get worse. Not very optimistic though.

[fdooby]

This is the score with OCC and myself. After I first covered a ride in 2012, I found my snaps from Flickr were being posted on here. Sometimes with misleading information. I'm a big fan of internet freedom. All of my pictures are Creative Commons (except for the latest Brighton album, which for the first time ever is all rights reserved). The WNBR threads on here have proved to be an invaluable resource for tracking down pics taken by other snappers (I'm always interested to see other people's interpretations of the day). Of course I'm aware that this is primarily a porn site. But so what? Half the people taking part in WNBR Brighton are members here and a good percentage take dubious shots of other riders, usually without permission, usually with iPhones, and the folks with big lenses get the flak. To say nothing of those engaging in overt sexual activity and not making much of a secret of the fact.

As my images were ending up here anyway, for a while I posted some myself, so I at least could give an input as to what was really going on. After one rider from the 2013 Brighton event kicked off, I removed my old account and no longer posted pictures here, though no doubt others do.

There have been some good discussions and very useful information on the various WNBR threads at OCC. I have no intention of not posting here. I frankly couldn't care less what anyone thinks of me. My pictures from the various rides have always been intended to promote the World Naked Bike Rides in a positive manner. I have always been happy for organisers and various media agencies to use my pictures (free of charge, of course), to say nothing of the riders themselves (many of whom I have become friendly with over the years). I have a rule that I won't take a shot of anyone that I wouldn't be happy for them to see. After covering 6 London, 6 Brighton, 3 Canterbury, 1 Hastings and 1 Folkestone ride, there remains only that single person who had any issue with what I'd taken - and only then after the event.

Two or three times people have ridden, regretted it, been a bit worried that their images are out there - and when contacted by them, I was happy to take them down. These people were concerned only that they'd done the ride, not with the actual content of the shots.

I think that if you have a proven track record, you should be able to get some kind of official photographer pass. Been saying this for years. Nothing really ever comes of it. But if you had a badge of some kind, the participants could feel reassured that even if you're taking shots without permission (which is essential if you're going to get anything spontaneous or candid), you're not up to no good.

As per every other year, I will let my pictures from this year's Brighton ride do the talking. We've all seen images of riders looking uncomfortable, unhappy, ill at ease, clearly the subject of unwanted attention. I have always gone out of my way not be one of those people.

End of the day, WNBR is a protest/awareness event. All this snapper paranoia pretty much only happens at the WNBRs. Well, Brighton WNBR. London is very laid back and this year it was particularly so. No permission is required to take shots in a public place so long as you're acting in a lawful manner. I have rarely seen anyone genuinely harassed myself - almost all pervs quickly slink away the moment they're confronted.

2017 Brighton was probably my last. I have no intention of being branded a pervert by clueless idiots who have no understanding of why many of us use telephoto lenses. The Brighton marshals are among the most ill informed and infuriatingly dense people I have ever encountered. I am a perv for standing at The Level not taking pictures with a long lens on a camera by my side. But three guys engaging in mutual masturbation in the painting area while another films it is perfectly fine. And while another guy wanders about with an erection being none too subtle about taking close up genitalia shots with his phone. Etc etc.

It's a shame but there are plenty more events out there where you get no hassle at all. I will always hold the absolutely glorious party that was WNBR Brighton 2014 close to my heart.

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Originally Posted by WorldNakedBikeRider

I'm a rider, organiser and photographer at the naked bike rides. I'd like to have a genuine discussion about photography and the ride. I realise that this thread is primarily about photos, but I'd like to make this one comment here. Then I suggest we move discussion over to another thread.

As I photographer, I get that the law in the UK allows photography in a public space. It also says that it's illegal to harass somebody - my understanding is that taking multiple photos without permission could constitute harassment. But it's not legality I'm really appealing to, but respecting the riders.

Every rider knows they are going to get photographed - that's really not the problem. It's great fun to ride naked down a busy street and see the people watching smile, then reach for their phone to take a quick snap. What's not so fun is the wall of photographers leaving somewhere like the Brighton ride start. Then seeing the photographers run over the park to take yet more photos. It feels like a line has definitely been crossed - and it makes many riders uncomfortable and angry. Especially the young women who are most likely to be targeted by photographers.

Ultimately, I believe excessive photography will kill the rides. That's not what any of us want, so let's make photography and discussion more respectful. Cataloguing women is just creepy, there are so many posts "she rode in Bristol 2015, then Brighton 2016 and 2017". I'm friends with several of the "forum favourites" and I know they are sickened by this behaviour.



Agreed fdooby, there's nothing dubious about the photos you load onto flickr - in fact, they are definitely some of the best ride photos out there But why do you feel the need to come and post them here?

I reckon probably spoke with more riders than you - many of them are very annoyed by the obsessive photographers. And I assure you the fun party atmosphere of the riders is undermined by excessive photography. Cuts both ways, doesn't it? But yet the riders could have fun and make their point without so many photos - the photographers are dependent on the riders for their fun.



It's a good question though - why do you take pictures? You seem to be quick to come and post them here - ask yourself what type of forum this is.



I'm sure you're right Pedro. You know as well as anybody the joy of being around naked young women. We should do all we can to encourage people to feel comfortable to join in on a ride or at a beach in the future.



Yes, stronger measures were in place at Brighton. This is going to be a trend. Well known photographers who lack respect have been excluded from rides this year.



Yes, definitely a strong anti-photographer vibe. I have to say I didn't take many photos this year. But I'd prefer the ride continue and get bigger, over taking photos. I think it will get less and less friendly towards photographers, if the current behaviour of photographers continues as is.

There was a big cheer when the police did remove the photographer though!

Some of us have a genuine interest in the female form. You would be quick to describe such individuals as perverts or "pornographers".

I can completely understand participants being concerned about their pictures being posted on the internet but I also think they need to consider what they are doing participating in a public nude bike ride in the first place?

We are coming to a crossroads in the Western world where progressive liberal values are being challenged and I for one believe the foundations of these liberal values are extremely shallow and interchangeable. I think that if people genuinely want to claim they are uncomfortable with the concept of their pictures being taken at an event where they have chosen to go nude in public, they should challenge their own value system in the first place and try understand what they are doing participating in the first place? What are they truly standing for?

Is there a specific set of value systems they are standing or is it just part of the hedonstic decline of western values?

Sorry I'm turning this into a philosophical discussion 🙂

[crouch869]

People on this forum do tend to obsess over things a little, and can get a little creepy (not everyone). People criticising the atmosphere, the stewards etc purely from a non-participant stance. Most stewards were just asking people to be respectful. Some of the spectators/ photographers I saw were not exactly this, and were highly opportunistic. Certainly not everyone on this forum, just the general public. The stewards assist in giving some security to the riders in the hope people will return each year without the fear of intimidation from over-zealous photographers.

As the beautiful 'Nudie-Lou' already pointed out the best way to get involved and take a great set of photos is by joining the ride itself. People will be more open to having their picture taken if they know that you are also a part of the ride and not just there to take pictures of the ladies. I went to the London ride expecting just to shoot, but soon enough purchased a Boris bike, removed some cloths and enjoyed a lovely cycle through the streets of london. I had so much fun I ended up doing the same in Brighton. I took some great photos, and had an excellent weekend. I am sure this will become a regular thing.

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