What makes a "Professional Photo"??

[babs7907]

No, the moderators here are impartial, they get nothing by favoring one member over the other! If you see a member breaking a rule or a thread that doesn't meet the site requirements, report it using the red triangle icon on the top right of the thread, there's not enough MODS to keep an eye on everything.

and a message to all the newbs who are making the majority of complaints:

READ THE FREAKING RULES BEFORE POSTING, then you won't be breaking any rules!

Originally Posted by nicenick1

I've seen and continue to see many threads with what are obviously "professional photos" and also quite a few with screen caps from professional porn movies. I guess it depends on which moderator it is and what kind of mood they're in!

[alphaboo]

Photos deleted because pro. Actually this seems to becoming a problem across the board. They are not watermarked, but it starting to seem if a photo is well done it is a defacto Pro photo.

Also since the photos have been deleted I don't even know what the photos were so I can't even view them to try to figure out why they are considered Pro pictures. I am starting to think Pro is in the mind of the beholder.

I understand watermarks and copyrights. I even understand watermarks when someone has watermarked a photo that was not theirs and then published as their own. This board is not here to fight legal battles.

I understand movies. It is very easy to tell a professional movie, yet the board has exceptions for them

But pro. There is no standardized criteria.

AS I said I have no idea why my thread and photos were deleted other then Pro pictures, I can't even argue why I think they are not pro and I kinda of think some of them were definitely not pro but just well done but i don't remember exactlywhich photos they were.

I use to think Pro pictures were copyrighted and watermarked had a web site listed. That made sense.

This pro picture deleted just because they were well done is problematic. We will end up with only really bad photos because everyone will not post good photos for fear of being deleted. No one wants to make the moderators do more work then needed.

However if i don't see the photos that were deleted and told why they were deleted I will not understand why they were considered Pro. Plus I might repost them under someone else's thread that they would fit in with the theme.

it also seems moderators have different standards for what is a Pro picture.

If my girls in snow pictures included the girl wearing the waist legnth fluffy white and black fur coat-they are not pro because although she has a great body, her face is not model quality and her teeth need braces before she could be a model.

I have taken better quality nudes but no they will not be posted here because they are art projects. I have taken better quality semi nude photos of girlfriends then photos i have found and posted that were pulled. No i don't have them, I have always given them back after a break up. That what I agree to when I ask a girl to pose and i live up to my agreements, unless they are in the aforementioned art projects.

I dated a MAC make up artist. I took non nudes of her but if they were nudes would her make up ability make the pro?

I can light and compose having studied film and photography. Most photos taken outside in seculded areas were there are no other people will look much more professional for that reason alone. I am not a pro because it is not my livelihood, so my photos would not be Pro

A Professional photo is one produced for profit. Includes model waivers and copyrights.

These Pro photos are an arbitary category that has no well defined criteria.

If the board want it that way that fine. I just think this is a problem that needs attention. At the least it needs a very well defined list of atributes and criteria, and not just a general guide.

The if you have any doubt don't post is a perfect general rule for making sure all photos are of women over 18, for Pro pictures it needs to be more defined.

I hope this helps to lessen the amount of Pro pics deleted comments we are seeing more and more often in the threads.



AS for me just to be safe,any well done photo, no matter how strongly I feel it is only a well done amatuer photo, will no longer be posted.

[ilovedollydog]

Originally Posted by showoffzzzz

In the case of your photos it was a hot girl posing in the snow. I googled one of the photos before removing your thread and she is a professional model who did this photo shoot. I informed you that I removed your thread due to the model not being an amateur. It isn't possible to leave the thread up and let you know so you can check the photos yourself and then let us know you had time to check so we can go back and delete the thread later. Sometimes you simply need to trust the mods.

Many times we get reports from other members with proof of watermarks or a site with the photos so we remove those photos. In fact, most of the time the reason pro photos are removed is because we have members that know their stuff and report pics that aren't amateur.

You have to realize that OCC makes every effort to protect copyright holders and we always remove photos or videos that are copyrighted. The rules state our policies on copyright and watermarks.

Finally, I can appreciate you frustration because it is difficult to tell pro vs amateur these days with the advance in quality digital photography for the average point and shoot camera. I don't want to discourage you or anyone from posting, but if it appears your pics are posed and high quality it might be a good idea to google the pic just to make sure it isn't from a pro set.

TRUST THE MODS There is a reason They Are The Mods .... Thanks To Them For the GREAT JOB THEY DO !!!

[eviltwin]

Also, the moderators have repeatedly stated that if you have taken the photos yourself, and as such is the copyright-holder (regardless of you being amateur or professional), then just say so in the thread and the pics won't be pulled, no matter how professional they look.

Edited to add:
And you can't base it on the looks of the model, there are plenty of models who don't have classic model looks, especially in the nude-/pornography industry.

[spyders]

I amateur photographer and I can do some amazing things with my software. My concern is that post our being deleted without proper research. Theirs got to be away that we can find the original source of the photo in question, so that we do to not have rely on guess work. Any ideals ?? This will make life a little easier on moderators as well and they can spend time enjoying our post and adding their on material.

[recer1361]

photoshop is great.....if u take pics in raw..gives great flexibilty with sharpness and colour

[wonboyn]

Mea Culpa! I am guilty of posting Pro pictures but I did it unintentionally as I did not understand rule 7.
But wait - I am not alone - otherwise this thread wouldn't be necessary and there would not be so many 'Pro Picture removed' messages.
This tells me that as a stand alone rule then rule 7 is not adequate. Perhaps a definition of Pro or a link to this thread would help, especially with newbies. Why not trial it mods? Define or link and see if your workload is cut down from newbies?

I have two other concerns though. Now I am aware, tks to this thread, it will be much easier for me not post indoor shots that might be Pro. But outdoor shots are a totally different matter.
I have had photo shoots with many amateur females and am amazed at the number that turned up with hair and make up like a Pro and immediately adopted poses like a Pro but they included teachers, office workers, a PhD scientist and even a lawyer who lectured me about copyright for over an hour!
With the standard of todays cameras it would be hard to tell my good shots from a Pro's average shots!

However my greatest concern is that in some threads Pro shots are accepted. Apart from examples already given, Charity calendars is one, Nude mixed Groups frequently features copied naturist magazine pages and Fuskered has 'stolen' shots where the Pro site locations are identified. So to me it's a guessing game!

Okay having had my 'rant' let me say that I am not attacking mods as individuals. Being a mod is a tough and, usually, thankless job. To me they are like the government of the day. You might like them - you might not like them but without them it would be chaos.

Let me apologise in advance to the mods for comparing them to politicians - they do a far better job than the pollies!!!!

Cheers and Thanks to all the members of OCC

[wonboyn]

Sorry - I meant to add that the pose/makeup criteria doesn't apply to outdoor shots. and it doesn't apply to indoor or outdoor LBD shots where, usually, the femme is 'dressed up' for a reason!

Hey shoot me down in flames - I used to being told I'm wrong - I'm married!!!!!

[Fango]

Originally Posted by wonboyn

However my greatest concern is that in some threads Pro shots are accepted. Apart from examples already given, Charity calendars is one, Nude mixed Groups frequently features copied naturist magazine pages and Fuskered has 'stolen' shots where the Pro site locations are identified. So to me it's a guessing game!

Let me just address this specifically: "Pro pics", as the rule states is "material taken from adult magazines, professional porn movies, or pay sites". So scans from charity calendars are fine, as are scans from naturist magazines. "Adult magazines" refers to magazines like Playboy/Hustler/Penthouse/etc. "Professionally shot" does not always equal "pro pic" here. "Pro pic" refers to those three specific things mentioned in the rule. If you notice anything that does violate the rule, please help us out and report the post.

Thanks

Fango

[Fango]

If anyone has any more suggestions on how to identify pro pics, please send me a Private Message and I will add them to the thread. Otherwise,

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Fango