CFNF Wrestling - Lisa Comshaw, etc.

[hanskumoekk]

Originally Posted by sharonpullman

Hey cigar thanks for the pics. I was wondering if anyone on this board who has poser could do a one-sided catfight scene on the beach or elsewhere. I don't have poser so it would be cool to see this I think.

Great idea! I don't have poser either, so I would appreciate if someone would do it.

Anyone?

[Cigar4u]

Hi Sharon and Hans:

Thank you both for your input, but I have a different slant on this.

First of all, on this thread, anybody can post anything they want dealing with CFNF wrestling or fighting.

But why do you guys suggest Poser?

I understand a lot of people really love Poser drawings, but I don’t get it.

I think that even the best of Poser looks as fake as a photograph of two Barbie dolls fighting. Poser drawings do little for me, and I’m really addicted to this fetish!

As some followers of this thread know from my previous postings, I am into both CFNF wrestling and CFNM wrestling. The reason I bring this up is that while I have seen a ton of CFNM Poser wrestling material, I have seen so little CFNF Poser wrestling on the Internet.

In my travels on the Super Information Highway, I had an opportunity to correspond with a Brazilian woman who goes by the name of Stephanie Park. She is, in my opinion, by far, the best Poser artist on the Internet.

She specializes in CFNM wrestling and fighting. I don’t believe she has ever done any CFNF wrestling work. She obviously puts a lot of effort into her work and is quite prolific. She has four Fighting Femdom Yahoo groups and her Website is fightingfemdom.mylivepage.com.

The reason I mention her is because as excellent as her artwork is it can only be so adequate because, after all, she works in Poser, and Poser really sucks.

The characters in a Poser drawing are stiff and unlifelike. Their faces often are grotesque. Even nude, the figures often lack sex appeal.

To prove my point, I am posting below some of what I consider Stephanie’s best work. That is, her best work that, out of respect to fellow members of this message board, does not show male genitalia.

If you want to see Stephanie’s more graphic work that shows nude men with penises in every stage from flacid to fully erect – and drawings of them getting hit in the nude groin by their clothed female opponents – go to her Website, register and you can view hundreds of those images.

Although the work I am displaying indeed is off-topic for this thread, it is meant only for demonstration puposes to support my argument that Poser drawings – even the best -- are woefully inferior to actual photos or even professional lifelike cartoon drawings.

Again, my opinion is not a criticism of Stephanie’s fine work or the great effort she puts into her art, it is a comment on the subject of Poser in general. And, again, these are drawings I kind of like.

Although all of these drawings feature a nude man vs. a clothed woman you can use your imaginations to picture in your minds that the losing fighter is a naked gal.

If you disagree with me about Poser drawings, feel free to post your own opinon. Or better yet, if you’ve got them, post your favorite CFNF Poser drawings to this thread and let other readers judge for themselves whether Poser is great or stinks.

[hanskumoekk]

Different people, different opinions. I think Poser can be good, but not always. It's been a year since I discovered the world of Poser, and it didn't do anything for me at first. Then I stumbled over Morphy's work (like the Cyber-hell stories) and Emperor Comics on Yahoo, and I've liked it ever since. Real ENF/CFNF, even staged, are the best material by far, of course. Poser's kind of a stand-in for me, because the lack of real material on general ENF/CFNF on the web. That's my explanation of why I find it interesting.

When it comes to the CFNM genre, I'm not quite into it. As a heterosexual male, CFNF and ENF is my thing. Having said that, it's just me and my taste, and I don't criticize you or others for having a different taste than me. Then again, without differences, we wouldn't be able to discuss or share opinions! And after all, we both -do- like CFNF too.

This forum, and this thread, is so great. I never thought I would get the chance to discuss these subjects on a forum. I live in Scandinavia, and over here, the interest of ENF and CFNF are yet to be discussed. I think people over here are to political correct to talk about it, and therefore I'm really grateful that OCC exists. And of course - this thread!

[Cigar4u]

Hi Hans:

You get no argument from me that there is far too little CFNF wrestling on the Intenet. That’s why I started this thread in hopes of finding other ENF fans who share my love for watching two women engage in a one-sided fight with the victor remaining clothed and the loser left naked.

I knew when I started this thread that I would find hundreds of others who would at least look at it and several, like yourself and Hemo101, who frequently contribute to it.

There are many others who don’t contribute but have thanked me and others who have posted to this thread. Although I wish they would join in so that we’d have four or five new postings a day, including new shared photos, I am nonetheless grateful for them taking the time to hit the thanks button and show their appreciation to those of us who do post.

Now back to Poser.

I also have to agree with you Hans that if I had nothing else but Poser to enjoy CFNF fighting, then I too guess I’d come to appreciate it more.

What bothers me, however, is that apparently some of us may have resigned ourselves to the probability that stick-figure-like computer drawings are what we are going to have to settle for to satisfy our desire for new material.

Hans you have written before that you personally could not find practically any CFNF wrestling photos on the Internet. I don’t know how much you surf the ‘Net, but I do a lot of searching.

I agree. It’s truly like panning for gold. You have to sift through pounds of loose material in hopes of finding one tiny nugget. I may go to as many as 20 new Websites to maybe download a photo or two related to CFNF wrestling. Frankly, some days it is not worth the time.

Yet I look at the home page for this forum and I see some threads, including this one, have hits in the tens of thousands of visitors.

Therefore there has to be a lot more interest in CFNF wrestling than the producers of adult fight videos are giving the market credit for.

You, Hans, say you live in Scandanavia. My favorite message board for CFNM material is femaledom.com, which features thousands of photos of clothed women – many of them from Sweden, Norway and Denmark -- beating up and ballbusting nude men.

If these women are willing to make those kind of videos that target a male heterosexual audience (otherwise the Website would feature photos of clothed men beating up nude men) then why wouldn’t those or other women be just as willing to make CFNF-type videos doing the same thing to nude gals that they do to naked guys?

It just does not make sense to me why the producers of wrestling videos don’t experiment more with the CFNF genre to test the waters on the market with us consumers.

It seems everytime a new fetish wrestling Website comes along it features the same old and stale productions of bikini vs. bikini, nude vs. nude and topless vs. topless women rolling around and giggling on a carpet or in a ring – anything but CFNF with a good one-sided fight script.

I just feel instead of encouraging our readers to create Poser drawings we should be asking them to encourage producrs of video companies to produce more material that fits our tatses or use our own digital cameras and try to make our own CFNF fantasy fights to post on this thread.

Although I recognize it is difficult for some of us to make homemade CFNF wrestling photos, it’s not impossible.
One of the hottest sections in adult book and video stores in the United States these days is the so-called “amateur” video section. The shelves are full of videos of everyday people having sex – guys and gals, gals and gals, etc. I bet it would be just as easy to get two amateur women to make a CFNF wrestling video as it is to get them to eat each other out before a camera.

Also, look at the popularity of the “Girls Gone Wild” videos, where a guy with a video camera goes into bars and gets allegedly drunken college gals to show their naked boobs and sometimes get stark naked?

I’ll bet some of those “Gone Wild” gals would do a CFNF wrestling scene before that camera. If you have ever seen one of those videos those young women sure look enthusiastic about what they are doing.

The bottom line is that I cannot believe that those of us who do post CFNF fight-themed photos have already posted to this thread all of the material that exists.

There has to be more out there, or, in the alternative, we have to make more of an effort to create new CFNF wrestling photos before we give in to our frustrations and accept that computer-enhanced cartoons are our only hope of seeing more of this type of material.

Thanks for your attention. I’ll get off my soap box now.

For putting up with my rant, here are a few CFNF wrestling photos I don’t believe I have posted before, includng a really cool CFTF photo of one woman putting another in a boob scissor lock! I have never seen a woman do that to another woman before in a wrestling match. I think it is really hot, don’t you?

(BTW, the white haired woman in the black leather bikini standing triumphantly over a nude woman is the legendary fetish wrestler Nancy Novak. In her mid-50s, she’s still in the business, operating out of the Lake Tahoe, Nevada-California area.):

[sharonpullman]

Hi cigar,
The reason my bf and I like the poser idea is that there are just too few really good (in our opinion) shots of good one-sided catfights. We have found VERY few. In something like poser, one can create the situation one wants to see. Like a catfight where one woman is stripped totally naked in front of a largelaughign crowd while the other remains fully clothed and untouched.

[hemo101]

WOW! ! !

This thread is starting to move. Greetings to all the newbies (he1 he! he!) who came on board and the oldies who finally spoke up and exercised their God given right to post and be heard. May both your tribes increase to keep this thread alive, and Ciggie happier still.

Sorry I have been busy of late and can but contribute just one pic which I think would lead to a scintilating cfnf catfight scenario.

Love

Helen

[madahab]

Originally Posted by Cigar4u

Hi Hans:
Therefore there has to be a lot more interest in CFNF wrestling than the producers of adult fight videos are giving the market credit for.
[...]

One of the hottest sections in adult book and video stores in the United States these days is the so-called “amateur” video section. The shelves are full of videos of everyday people having sex – guys and gals, gals and gals, etc. I bet it would be just as easy to get two amateur women to make a CFNF wrestling video as it is to get them to eat each other out before a camera.

I agree with you. Two things: one, to satisfy me, it would have to really be a fight - not to hurt, though. Women rolling around in bikinis pretending to fight as they slowly untie each others bikinis doesn't do it. Two, it may be hard to get even willing amateurs to go at it that hard.

So first you have to motivate them: prize money is always good for that sort of thing. It's not whether you pay the loser or not - it's how much more she gets for winning. Though if she gets too much for losing she might give in quick if she thinks she can't win.

Second you have to make sure that there's motivation to make it humiliating beyond just "i lost my wet-tshirt in this bowl of mud". Maybe scavenger hunt-style - she has to score, in the eyes of the judges, a nude boob-slap, a titty twist, and a nothing-to-hide elbows-to-ears pin. Or a genital pinch that causes a tap-out. Or a forced penetration with an object. Or submitting the loser to a real humiliation like remaining nude in stocks for some time after the match.

I still see the GGW type of audience as the thing to make this happen - sooner or later, someone will want to do that type of video and dig into the wrestling kink just to differentiate themselves.

[Cigar4u]

With the Yuletide holidays once again at our throats, here’s an idea for those of you who enjoy a warm and wonderful disfunctional familyThanksgiving or Christmas gathering.

Take a photo related to one-sided CFNF fighting and write a mini-story tied to the holiday season.

The following posts are a few mini-stories and photos to illustrate the type of holiday stories we should all be thankful for.

[Cigar4u]

Candy was thankful for the unseasonably warm Southern California temperatures on Thanksgiving Day and decided to take a relaxing skinny dip in the backyard hot tub prior to her family’s Turkey Day feast.

Candy, however, was unaware that her hated neighbor and rival Santana, wearing a blue bikini, was lurking in the shadows.

Santana jumped her unsuspecting nude foe just as Candy was getting comfortable in the tub.
No question about it, Candy truly was in real hot water now as Santana basted her real good.

Soon Candy’s Christmas goose was cooked well done!

[Cigar4u]

When Debbie came to stay with her Aunt Stella for the holidays she b*tched about everything from Stella serving canned cranberry sauce to how Stella had overcooked the turkey and made it so dry.

Fed up with Debbie’s constant complaining, Stella told her niece in front of the entire family at the dinner table to shut up or she would shut her up.

Defiant as any teenager would be, Debbie stood up and challenged her aunt to a fight to see who could shut who up.

The family sure was shocked when the feisty young chick and the tough old bird fought it out in a clothes-shredding battle.

Still in her bra and panties, a triumphant Stella sat atop her now naked niece, completely covered Debbie’s big mouth with her right hand and read Debbie the riot act for a half hour.

Family members commented how they could not remember the last time Debbie went so long without b*tching about something.

They truly had a lot to be thankful for that day.