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[Logain842]

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Well your problem is too much traffic. Now...most would see that as a good thing. I mean your site is more popular. I wish I could say the same for mine. It's not really fair to cut people off if they don't have content. I guess my thoughts are I hope you and your staff come up with a fair solution. Maybe it's time to start charging. I mean, most people would probably pay up to five or ten dollars a month. Or better yet, set up a pay pal donation system. You'd be suprised how well that works. Anyway, I was very suprised when I discovered this site and that it was free. Just don't overlook the fact that the community is what makes it a good site. Don't lose that atmosphere by 1) losing people to large charges or 2) driving people away just because they don't have something to "contribute."
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[Logain842]

Oh, and, if you could please give me access that would be great. I'm good for it... I have plenty ideas and hopefully some content to share.

[maccat0600]

I do agree that in order to view you should pitch in what you have. I had been lurking for a while (And I felt bad about that) just because I was way from my broadband and the dial up was to slow to upload anything.Trust me I tried. But now that I am back home I can start post some good stuff. I could have put up a ton of "Thank You's" to raise my posts but whats the point. It did piss me off alittle when I have to search thru all the TY's to find the content of the post. But I got over it. All in all I think this is a great site and it should stay free but only to those who put in.

On a side note to Alex: How many monerators (sp?) do you have. It seems like you are the only one who watches what people post. If you need more I am sure that people would help out to include me. Just a thought.


Mac

[rc251]

I'm a lurker mostly, and admittedly, I don't have much to share. I'd still like to be able to access the videos section. I think a direct donation to the website should be considered. I'd have no problem paying to access the video forum.

[jake dog]

Originally Posted by Alex

Thanks for sharing your opinions and keeping this discussion civil.

I'll clear a few things up about how we get support from having sponsors. We don't generate any money from ad views or even by people clicking on ads, so there is no reason to encourage people to visit more pages or click on the links if they have no interest in joining a pay site. We do get paid a commission of around 50% of the sale price (and rebills), or sometimes we get a single sign up bonus between $15 and $40 depending on the site. To put things in perspective, the overall cost of running OCC is around $2,000 US dollars a month.

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Alex,

Thanks for setting the record straight. So it's all commisions, and no CPM or CPC. Maybe a combination of the two might work, although some advertisers want to be the only banner on a page. Just a thought.

I for one, would hate to see this become a "club" where only those who post videos can download, but it seems to be headed that way. Would you be willing to consider a small yearly membership fee (pay pal donation) as an *optional* way of access to the videos for those who can't post often enough to keep that section open to them consistently?


Bob

[Alex]

There seems to be a lot more interest in adding the option of making a donation in exchange for access.

Our first priority will be to allow people who cotribute to have access to the video forums. After that, we may add the option of paying for access if people want to do it that way.

We aren't here to try to make a profit, just breaking even would be nice. In the long run, I want to keep everyone happy. It's not always easy.

Maybe I should start a poll...

[whatisdrew]

Well, I guess that the bandwidth problems are starting to ruin the forums. A lot of people have nothing to contribute, but want the rewards, and the results have been obvious. It seems like most of these people are either really dumb, can not read directions, or are desperate and hope they will be admitted into video viewing once again despite not following the posting rules.

That said, is the problem solved by letting these people back on? I don't think so, but it has shown how much some people are willing to do to get their high quality free porn here.

As for a poll, I'll cast my vote now. This place is fantastic, (or used to be), but I'm not willing to make a PayPal donation. I'm sorry, I'm aware of the "community" argument, but it's a matter of principle. I have nothing to contribute, I will not give money, and so unless there's a third solution I can't think of, I'll go elsewhere. I don't want your sympathy (one angry poster said to another guy like me, "you contribute nothing to this forum and yet you want me to feel sorry for you", and I agree), and I'm not mad, either.

I don't approve of shutting access down to those of us who have nothing to share. But I don't run this site, and so for that reason it doesn't matter what I think. I just hope that the other lurkers will do the same (leave) instead of pathetically trying to regain access by breaking forum rules, clogging the forums, and making the bandwidth problem even worse than before.

[sloo42]

and will probably see it a thousand more. Someone decides to start up a great free community. Many people lurk, many others post. The word gets out that this site is awesome. Many more lurk. The site starts to lose bandwidth so they shut down temporarily to "redo" the site so all can enjoy again. When the site resurfaces, you are faced with usually 3 options. 1) Pay us, or leave. 2) Post for us, or leave. 3)Just leave. The "new" community then goes through a certain understandable chaotic struggle as the lurkers (who are in the vast majority) start jones-ing for the awesome content they have been getting for free. The others who actually post, spend awhile trying to right the ship and will succeed for a little while with numerous posts/ads/money. Those who cant meet the demands of the board generators fall by the wayside. Site loses credibility on other websites that usually praised it, causing lurkers to leave. The site keeps a tight knit community for awhile and curses those lurkers...who needs them anyway right? Site starts hemorraging...need new rules! Makes the entire site (pics and otherwise) meet up to their new standards and starts pissing off the "faithfull". Evryone goes crazy and....well you see where this is going.

Kind of reminds me of a drug-dealer. Here ya go...free samples for everyone. Hooked? Great! Now dance through hoops for me or pay me if you want more.

I was a lurker.
I will still lurk at places that haven't gotten too busy that they are now a police state ro full of greed.
I will see the rest of you lurkers there as well...oh, yeah maybe I wont =)

PS: I really did enjoy your site for quite awhile. All of my above statements arent 100% aimed at you, just a nice warning for it does happen frequently. I have never spoken out at said sites before, so when I see this fine establishment nosediving in that direction, I had to speak out. Its a shame too...was a very nice site. Please, for the sake of those who decide to stay, dont start telling them they MUST do this or that. Guidelines are one thing, constantly having your "membership" threatened if you dont DO this or PAY that... will end in destruction. Remember, its a voluntary community, not Beirut.

[lets_git_nekked]

Since 10% of the members post 99% of the vids and all of the members want to be able to view the vids, my guess is you are going to alienate 90% of your members by no longer allowing access to the vids.

[Wetmac]

While I understand where some of you are coming from with your points of view,somewhere along the line a solutuon to the bandwidth problem has to be found. Most of the complaints seem to be coming from members who haven't given very much to the forums and seem reluctant to give a small financial donation to help the community exist. What I would like to know is what these members suggest is done to solve the bandwidth problem. They are still getting free access to hundreds of pics and are only asked to make a small effort to give something back to the members who have made the effort to find and post material for all of us in order to access the vids. I dont think thats a difficult request. The quote that 90% of members will be unable to view the vids forums is exaggerated in my opinion but even if it were true would still leave over 2000 active members to view and share material.