Chat from 'nudity in the theatre and in art'

[weasel]

Originally Posted by RUB2

Don't mistake narrative quality and content for visual quality.

I know you don't know this about me, but I have a university education in drama, so I can wax poetic on character development, exposition, denoument, story arcs etc with the best of them. As such, I'm probably the least likely member of this community to ever be credibly accused of such a thing as you allude. But visual quality is precisely what we were discussing; I invoked those films for the simple fact that you invoked your 1970's black & white tv, somehow implying (as I mentioned above) that if something is black & white it's not good.

Originally Posted by RUB2

It just so happens that I have seen several of those films, in higher resolution on a 4K monitor.

Good for you. I'm sure it was a breathtaking experience. [/sarcasm]

Originally Posted by RUB2

The stories remain great and the visual experience is better.

Guess you missed the part above where I said "'perfect' is often the enemy of 'good enough'". I don't need it, so I'm not going to get it. And you know what? The picture might not be perfectly crisp & clean, but I can still enjoy the movie even with a slightly less defined image on the screen.

Since classic movies are de rigeur for this discussion though, how about this: in 2005, LucasFilm released the original Star Wars trilogy as double discs. The first disc was the "contemporarily updated with all the added changes, reworked scenes & new musical numbers" version. Essentially, the "penultimate" version of each movie the way George Lucas wanted it to look like. In essence, this is what he wished he could have released in 1977/1980/1983 and would have had the technology been available at the time.

The second disc, however, is how each of these movies were originally released. Ep IV was simply called "Star Wars", Han shot first, Jeremy Bulloch voiced Boba Fett, there was a woman with prosthetics mouthing to a man voicing The Emperor who clearly was not The Emperor as he appeared at the second Death Star, Jabba had a modest, relaxed song playing in his palace and there wasn't a galactic celebration mere seconds after that second Death Star was destroyed. Most importantly, the ghost of Anakin Skywalker was played by the same actor who wore the Darth Vader helmet after killing the Emperor, instead of Hayden Christenson from Ep III.

Why do you think these original versions of the Star Wars movies were included in these dvds? Could it be because... In spite of all these technical innovations and updated graphics, people are perfectly ok with stuff as they originally appeared, even though it's not "perfect"? Could it be that... 'perfect' is often the enemy of 'good enough'?

The mind wanders.

[RUB2]

I won't brag about my own achievements and knowledge of art, drama, and what not. I'm sure you lead a very fulfilling life and have a well-paying career with your much-sought-after degree in drama. And I won't suspect that the expense of said degree might reflect why you're using 2009 technology in 2021. Back in 2009 I was using a computer with 1080p resolution. I watched films designed for 1080p resolution.

You're begging for backwards compatible content when you ask for content in a lower resolution than it was shot in. It's like begging to see Wizard of Oz shot entirely in black and white.

[RUB2]

Also, you've misquoted me in your message: you've purposefully changed what I wrote in quotation marks to reflect your distorted view of my good intentions. Is this what you learned with your valuable degree in drama? I don't know much about the current state of universities, but back when I attended one (for several degrees, before I landed a well-paying job) misquotation was enough to earn you a failing grade.

1080p is old technology. 720p, which you requested, is ancient technology. The current standard for streaming (if you're living in North America and not the third world) is 1080p/4K. Within a year, with the shift from h264 to h265, 4K should become the norm (videos will be about half the size). Many of the films you mention were shot on film, not digital. The resolution of film is very high compared to any digital alternative, as you should know if you've taken some courses on this subject. So you are asking for a re-mediated downgrade of the original media.

[Turtle]

Enough!

This isn't a place to start fights or to argue amongst yourselves.

Thread closed and if it's continued in the 'nudity in the theatre and in art' thread, I'll close that too.

Turtle