In what forum do we put non nudes?

[Klondike]

Regarding potential sub forums for E&V, the first four are pretty easy to define and digest. However, the last two are nightmares and so let me take another crack at it. What I'm trying to do is separate public nudity events into two distinct types but its practically impossible. I really don't think you could expect people to be able to hit the mark on this, but I suppose I can try. First of all, these two categories are for events, generally recurring ones but not always. Date, time, etc is important i.e not spontaneous like in the other sub forums.

I know this would really create havoc - here more than in any other potential sub forums. The only way out would be to chose a title that says exactly what you want it to say. Nothing more, nothing less. For example, try this:

e) public nudity events 1: art, protest and naked exuberance
f) public nudity events 2: flashing, sexy hosts and stage shows

Now can people read those two titles and get a pretty good sense for where a particular pic they might want to post belongs? Probably not The least ambiguous term is "sexy stage shows". Nuff said - that is very easy to understand as it is location specific - i.e all your stripper (indoor or outdoor), wet-T, fetish and bondage, adult expos, etc stuff goes there. But otherwise - I mean, "exuberance" is like, WTF?? I know, I can't even define it! "Art" could be taken to encompass legit theatre nudity and performance, Tunick, body art and anyone parading in costumes (mermaid parade) but not intending to arouse. "Protest" would cover advocacy and political stuff(incl gay, lesbian). Exuberance would cover bikes, runs, festivals, naked clubbing perhaps etc. I don't know. Flashing would cover your Mardi Gras, Spring break, Havasu, etc. "Sexy hosts" would cover everything from tech and car show babes to topless waitresses to a "host" of misc stuff.

Its the best I can do..

Klondike

[Klondike]

or f) public nudity events 2: fetish, flashing, sexy hosts and stage shows

I added "fetish" because I couldn't find a spot for folsom street fair and fantasy fest otherwise

Klondike

[Charlie Drizzle]

I read the 'support' forum as often as I view the other forums in case I can sometime give someone a hand. I've been following this thread in silence but at the same time wondering if the proposed changes wouldn't make it more confusing. Example: you propose seperating 'exibitionist' and 'non-nudes'. In my mind, warped as it is, some exibitionist are non-nude, i.e. short skirts, sheer clothing, low cut tops with lots of cleavage. But the proposal raises a bigger problem for me. I currently post in a half dozen threads, all in the E & V category, always grouped by an 'event'. At each event theres always girls flashing. But there's also always some girls that are just dressed provocatively, sexy, or just pretty. They often get as many 'Thanks' as the flashers. Would I have to exclude those? Would the mods scold me for posting them even though they're from the same event?

Personally, I have no problem with the way the categories are arranged. And I think the mods do a very credible job here. Yes, there are a lot of cropped and copyrighted shots from pay sites(i.e. FTV, Public Flash, ATK, Nebraska Coeds) that slip through but unless the the mods have frequented as many sites as I have in the past, lol, it's hard for them to distinguish.

I think a bigger problem is caused by the posters themselves. It seems everyone wants to start their own thread even though they have only a handful of pics to contribute. I noticed this immediately when I first joined here. My first contributions were beach pics. I had well over a dozen threads to choose from, the same thing with all threads that I post to, with one exception. That exception, I asked here in this forum if there was already a 'mechanical bull' thread, I couldn't find one, and if the mods thought it would be appropriate to start one. Other than that one thread, which I continue to contribute to, I post in previously existing threads. But it seems that every day there is an insignificant 'reply' in a thread somewhere, the person doesn't even bother to click the 'Thanks' button. The person is always a junior member trying to get enough credits so that he can start a thread even if he only has a few pics.

[Klondike]

Originally Posted by Charlie Drizzle

I read the 'support' forum as often as I view the other forums in case I can sometime give someone a hand. I've been following this thread in silence but at the same time wondering if the proposed changes wouldn't make it more confusing. Example: you propose seperating 'exibitionist' and 'non-nudes'. In my mind, warped as it is, some exibitionist are non-nude, i.e. short skirts, sheer clothing, low cut tops with lots of cleavage. But the proposal raises a bigger problem for me. I currently post in a half dozen threads, all in the E & V category, always grouped by an 'event'. At each event theres always girls flashing. But there's also always some girls that are just dressed provocatively, sexy, or just pretty. They often get as many 'Thanks' as the flashers. Would I have to exclude those? Would the mods scold me for posting them even though they're from the same event?

No, if they're from an event where girls are also nude, post 'em in E&V. BTW, I looked up "Exhibitionist" and in the definition, exposure of genitals, breasts or buttocks is a prerequisite so that then a sexily dressed woman is not included. I know, it doesn't quite make sense, but its in wiki. Also, where you put a set of pics is really dictated by the title and the content type of the majority of those pics. I would never advocate breaking up WNBR sets for example where a few non nudes are thrown in to show you everybody arriving. Its that way with a ton of stuff, especially that occasional ENF or even hardcore pic

In some of my suggestions for change in the UPs and DB title, I wrote "NN candid" or even NN street candid.
Using the term "street candid" would be one way you could keep those pics separate from NN event pics like you describe.

But again, I want to emphasize one point in all of this discussion. Change can come all together or it can come in bits and pieces. In other words, you can accept all, some or none of it. But please - once again, my main proposal has to do with removal of the term voyeur from the E&V title, adding it to UPs and DBs and adding "public" somewhere to E&V. All other changes (NN etc) are less important.

Klondike

[Klondike]

Also, I still believe street candids are voyeur in nature, and if you accept the idea that camel toes, pokies, cleavage and pantylines pics belong in UPs and DBs, you'd have to give serious consideration to throwing in the whole lot. I mean, those are mostly street candid pics as well..

see below - camel toe or NN street candid? its one and the same...

KLondike

[Klondike]

Once again, I'll make my case for putting all NN street candids in UPs and DBs. Here's an example: You are walking down the street with your camera, looking for pretty girls and hints of nudity. Thats what its all about, BTW - hints of nudity in otherwise clothed girls. Whether its an Uppie, DB, camel toe, or pokie, etc its all hints of nudity. Anyway, so a sexy girl in a short skirt and low cut top approaches you and you start snapping. As of this point, it just a "girl caught unaware" and as Fango pointed out, that makes it by definition an E&V pic. Ok, but then suppose now that she suddenly bends over ever so slightly, revealing a nipple or maybe some undie. Or maybe the wind catches her skirt. Meanwhile, you keep snapping. but now where do you put your pics? Suddenly your street candid pics are mixed with some uppies or DBs or accidental nudity qualifying them for a different forum? But I don't see the logic in separating pics that are so closely related...

But now I suppose you could use the same logic in your event pics. I mean, if one photographs girls flashing you are going to get some pics perhaps where the shirt is not quite all the way up and you don't have nudity but a NN. OK, point well taken. But here, its voluntary nudity overall, not involuntary and so you would group the NN with whatever is the type of nudity that went with it. It may sound complicated, but it isn't really. So then I wouldn't say I want to get rid of all non nudes in E&V - mainly just NN candid threads or entire sets of pics that are NN.

Klondike

Klondike

[Klondike]

I've had to think about this some more (thanks Charlie)...

Really, the only non nudes that to me belong in UPs and DB's are the street candids. You could actually drop the "NN" here and just call them "street candids" and I think that would suffice. Then that would still make E&V the OK place for other NN's more related to public nudity and outdoor, fun in the sun nudity. Some examples of the latter:

the wet-T girl who's shirt is still on (wet pokie but soon to be nude)....
the car show host who is sexily clad but not nude
the sexy bikini posed pics on the beach
bikini pageant pics
fantasy fest girls posing in lingerie but not naked
underwear run pics, lingerie and underwear party pics...

etc....

So now in my opening post, I advocated "removing all non nude threads from E&V". That needs to be restated. An underwear run thread for example is OK for E&V. What I want to do instead is remove all street candid threads from E&V.

things evolve - at this point, renaming UPs and DBs and calling it "Voyeur peaks and slips, street candids" would be my choice (taking out the "NN")...

Charlie has helped me clarify things a bit. I welcome more input....



Klondike

[Klondike]

OK, because I have written a ton of stuff, it all may seem really confusing. it is not!. So forget everything else if you want and just read this:

Once again, I am mainly interested in the titles that go with E&V and UPs and DBS, not the pics themselves and how they are distributed. Mainly, I am advocating removing the word "voyeur" from E&V and adding it to UPs and DBs. Also, I advocate adding the word "public" somewhere to E&V. The pic reshuffling on the other hand is very minor, and would only involve a very small number of pics - spy pics ("true" voyeur pics presently in E&V but IMHO belonging in UPs and DBs and defined elsewhere) and street candids (divided between the two forums, belonging in UPs and DBs and also defined elsewhere). Everything else is fine!

KLondike

[nothere]

I just noticed this thread and thought I'd offer an opinion.

Intending no offense to anyone, I've often wondered why anyone would start a thread with a couple of pictures of what appears to be bored shoppers in line at a Walmart check out station. After looking carefully at the two or three pictures, I realize that the object is the posterior of a girl in tight jeans who is leaning on her cart. Since this scenario is a daily occurrence for anyone who ventures out of their home on a regular basis, I am mystified as to why it is worthy of a unique OCC thread, especially when the description includes modifiers like Wow! and Amazing!

The neat thing about OCC is that there is room to accommodate everyone. There are obviously a number of folks who enjoy these pictures, but the so-called street voyeur pictures pop up under several headings. Rather than create a new category, perhaps a compromise would be to have a "Street Voyeur" super thread like the Celebrity Oops and Candid thread. The thread would erase the confusion of where to post the pictures, and street voy fans would have a reliable destination where they can appreciate the contributions.

Just a thought...

[Klondike]

Originally Posted by nothere

Rather than create a new category, perhaps a compromise would be to have a "Street Voyeur" super thread like the Celebrity Oops and Candid thread. The thread would erase the confusion of where to post the pictures, and street voy fans would have a reliable destination where they can appreciate the contributions.

Just a thought...

makes sense to me. We do see quite a few separate threads for these types of pics, and they often go under headings that can make figuring out the content a bit of problem.

Klondike