CFNF Wrestling - Lisa Comshaw, etc.

[frrio]

Cigar - having read your comments, i would say I whole heartedly agree. I have searched and searched for fresh material - but to no avail. When odd material does come along - it sets a beat going.

The closest I have come - is to pay for custom matches on these sites such as DT and Ring Women Video. I'm currently in talks over a possible new match.

Admitetly not nude , This is the very reason I used to like the WWE to a point. They always had the odd little segment of females embarrsed by others. Off hand - I remember I liked the little part where Trish and Ashley stipped Candice of her robe. She stood up and the two mocked her by pretending to cover themselves up. They then shouted ' look at her ass ' as she walked off.

I find Wrestling plays a huge part in this cf / nf as it allows dominance etc to take over and really lets the female deliberate and play out a long humiliation / toying and teasing with their victim throughout the course of the match.

That said its important from my view - that the nude female plays a role where she is embarrsed at losing her clothes. I've seen plenty on DT and others where they are stripped, but then simply couldnt care less and strip the other opponent to..so your left with two nudes ( which kind of ruins it for me )

With regards to that match - I think perhaps the tall Blonde might be Tylene Buck? Although ive not seen that match advertised. I just pay for the odd match, and do not subscribe. You should check the match ' Come Raw Comeshaw. ' Its great how Tylene takes the bottoms of Lisa. She laughs as she does so, and as Lisa scowls to cover up, Tylene dangles her bottoms over her head , inviting Lisa to collect them.

However trying to identify on DT which are going to be potentially one sided matches with humilaition in them, is quite hard. For added realism I also like it some of the time, where the Clothed Female, remains clothed herself throughout.

More often than not though, Ive bought matches where both are nude, or the nude girl is simply not bothered by being stripped.

It goes beyond Wrestling occasionally too. I love it when a female seems to take an enjoyment out of another girls humilating experience. Any mainstream clips I come across I often save and store. For instance the clip of a female model accidentaly losing her bottoms, baring her butt was great, but then for all the females in the background to laugh and looked shocked made it that bit better.

Or the clip of a gang of girls chasing a girl, who lost her towell - simply great.

I agree - there is definitley the market - its about finding it, and targeting a site for requests. Or hoping that some company / production will re - create your desires. There's a few cheap vendors on Clips 4 Sale that might be worth taking a punt with - Ones a tickling one, but do have the occasional catfight clip. etc

Lets keep eyes and ears open, whilst in the meantime sharing our thoughts experiences etc. Be in touch soon.

[Cigar4u]

Gee Frrio, it sounds like you are really into CFNF wrestling like I am.

The strip match video I was talking about was one of Double Trouble’s WOW series featuring Tina Z against Lisa.

But the video you described is the next one I plan on purchasing, featuring not only the Tylene vs. Lisa match you mentioned but also a rematch of Santana vs. Lisa and Sandy vs. Melanie. I understand in each of those two matches the loser ends up nude while the winner remains in a swimsuit.

It sounds like you give the Lisa vs. Tylene match a tumbs up.

I purchased the Tylene Buck vs. Anastasia Pierce CFNF match from DT and was a little disappointed. But I do give them credit for trying to capture the spirit of the clothed vs. nude theme.

In that match, entitled “The Nude Arm of the Law,”Anastasia portrayed an LA cop arresting Tylene for prostitution in Tylene’s home. When Tylene refused to be handcuffed and go quietly, Anastasia stripped off her cop’s uniform, bra, panties and shoes and challenged Tylene who took off her robe and kicked off her high heels, opting to fight in sexy lengerie.

“You’re not going to get naked?” a shocked Anastasia asked. “Earn it,” Tylene replied. The problem was that the match was not one-sided. Anastasia, despite being as naked as the day she was born, held her own and the two pretty much rolled around the appartment, occasionally grabbing each other’s boobs. Although Tylene remained clothed throughout the fight, her bra could not contain her big boobs which constantly popped out.

In the end, Tylene won and handcuffed the naked cop. She also put on Anastasia’s cop hat and taunted Anastasia and all LA cops for being weak. That was kind ofsexy. It would have been so much better if Tylene had dominated the naked Anastasia throughout the bout.

About the Tylene vs. Lisa fight you mentioned, I understand from the photo on the DT web site that Tylene also winds up nude in the match with Lisa. Does Lisa strip Tylene after being stripped or does Tyleen just take off her swimsuit after stripping Lisa and fight her in a nude match?

That is another thing about a number of women wrestling movies that really makes me scratch my head. One woman will overpower, beat and strip the other, then for no good reason take off her own clothes and continue wrestling her opponent in a nude match.

Why would any woman do that in a real life fight? I mean, I know these matches are scripted and the women in them are only acting so as not to really hurt each other. But there needs to be a right mix of quasi reality and fantasy to make them look somewhat believable.

I cannot for the life of me figure why a woman would take her own clothes off after getting her opponent nude and vulnerable.

Also, Frrio I agree with you 100 percent that it is a seemingly waste of a good stripping if the stripped woman doesn’t care about being nude. That really is a slap in the face of the ENF fetish. Part of the joy of stripping an opponent is her shocked reaction. Without it, the fantasy really is diminished.
I think the reason some women who make wrestling videos don’t look shocked after being stripped naked is because so many of them are porn actresses, strippers/dancers and figure models who are so used to being nude in photos and films and on stage it is second nature for them.

What these women need to do is think of their characters as just regular women who as a rule do not get naked in public so that when they get stripped during a match they can really sell it that they are being seen that way for the first time by a lot of people and are so humiliated by being sans bikini.

To be honest, although I love Lisa Comshaw for her work in making CFNF wrestling films as the quintessential loser – and I love her facial expressions and screams as her opponents whack her nude boobs, belly and crotch – she really does not show much or any emotion over being stripped naked. She looks way too comfortable being nude against a clothed opponent.

At the very least, she should try to cover up her boobs and pubic area during the first few seconds after being rendered naked or beg her opponent to give her her suit back. That would be so erotic as her opponent naturally would refuse to allow Lisa to redress.

Then again, I do not want to be too critical because Lisa is one of the few actresses willing to go so far in a match. I would reckon there are a number of fetish women wrestlers who would absolutely refuse to be stripped and humiliated in a one-sided match – even the jobbers who regularly lose competitive matches – no matter how much money the producers are willing to pay.

I think it must take a special woman who is willing to make a video-- permanent record -- where she loses her clothes and is totally humiliated at the hands of a clothed woman – even if it is just play acting.

[hemo101]

Thank you Cigar and Friio to your insights on the wonderful world of cfnf fighting. Like both of you, I look forward to situations where one of the combatants is totally outmatched by her opponent at the onset, causing her to lose badly and end up humiliatingly naked. I guess its the ignominy of her fate that serves as the real turn on since it seems to be part of human nature to relish in the miseries of others.

Thanks also for introducing me to DTP. They seem to have an extensive collection. I think I'll spend time browsing over it to see what they have to offer. I have come across a number of sites that may offer similar fare. You could try f-f-fights, femmefightbound, femmefights, mfxvideo and the Brazilian site dragonfilms, just to name a few which feature
one sided fights, sometimes even two on one action, where one opponent is made to fight at a disadvantage. I recall one situation from f-f-fights where one of the combatants was in a minidress and boots while her opponent was stark naked. You could check them out.

Sorry Cigar, I do have more, well to be honest about four more photos of the Candi match but unfortunately they are watermarked. They come from the same fight.

BTW I read the write up on the long arm of the law on DTP. There seams to be a conflict on what Tylene wore during the fight. In your account she was in her lingerie, while in the DTP edition she still wore her dress and stockings. Care to clarify? I think the more the winner has on during the fight would place her opponent at a more disadvantageous position, at least psychologically, especially if she has to start off nude.

I was wondering also whether there were any fights there where the winner was not in a swimsuit or bikini but was more covered up. I think thats what I would like to view, a fully covered woman in long sleaved jacket and pants totally dominating a naked female writhing and quivering at her feet. Hey, maybe you could request DTP for that.

You may be interestred to know that I have tried to write a few totally one sided catfight stories. its in the asstr.net site under my name. If you guys can spare the time, catch them. I would love some feed back, good or bad.

What would be your favorite cfnf fight scenario?

[Stonedoregonian]

i want to see the girl running from the other girls with out her towel

[ric_flair]

I'm a huge fan of these type of matches as well. "Bare Bottom Battering" was definitely a good one. Other DT matches I would recommend involve Mia Walters, and usually Tasha. I don't remember all names, but a couple are "Whippersnapper" and "Trapped By Tasha". There's also a really good one with Francesca and Mia where Francesca is ultimately trying to take Mia's bikini bottoms as a trophy. It ends with Mia tied up and nude on the bed with Francesca taunting and dangling her bottoms in front of her. One of my faves... Can't remember the name, but you can search by match genre(i.e. dominance) on the DT site. My favorite scenario would be a gang of clothed girls stripping and humiliating another girl, but this takes $$$...sigh

[frrio]

I'll have to check the Tina vs Lisa match out. This is one match i haven't purchased yet.

Santina vs Lisa and Sandy vs Melanie are also two matches I am planning on purchasing shortly. Reason why I put the Tylene match ahead of this was because I know from past experience that Tylene is one of the best at dominating / toying / teasing with her victim.

Now im not so sure about Santina and Sandy but I will look. Nor have I purchased the Tylene vs Anastacia ( again perhaps due to the lack of realism) - I can fully envisage why you would be a little disappointed though.

Now with regards to the Tylene vs Lisa match - Yes, Lisa does stip Tylene after she is nude herself ( which is naturally disapointing - however Tylene has a great body so I let this go a little. ) Often what I find is key to these videos - or what I look for short snipets of ' the humiliation ' we are looking for. It's rare that you get a full match exactly suited to your tastes.

Let me explain - in the build up to Lisa getting stipped, Tylene completley dominates Lisa, giivng her several humiliating looking wedgies front and back. Her bikini top is also stripped away. Its during each Wedgie that I looked for Tylenes facial expressions aswell as Lisa's and these are fairly good.

The bit I liked best was when Lisa gets stipped of her bottoms. Without ruining the video..Lisa crawls on all fours sort of, and then flops to the mat, with the help of Tylenes foot. Tylene then edges around the back of Lisa, and questions " Well how do you like this? " I pause and watch in slow motion as Tylenes slap Lisa's back, hook around her bottoms and pull down around her ass. Tylene almosts laughs as she is doing so. As they slip off her knees, Lisa covers her modesty, and does so as Tylene waves them in the air. It's after this that she encourages Lisa to collect them, whilst mocking Lisa telling her " she cant do sh*t!, making reference to her being a dog crawling.

I agree it dosent make sense at all for the victor to stip also, but cigar you are completley right - unfortunatley they are all in the business of stripping and so dosent bother them in the slightest. It's up to the likes of us to suggest it to them. That is why I stongly reccomend the clip on DT ' Bare Bottom Battering.' Its between Charlie and Andie. It's written by me, DT produced it for me. See what you think - It centres around Andie dominating Charlie and humiliting her exposing her ass all too often. Hemo I think you might like it - although Andie for some reason takes her own top off. Charlie for a large part staggers around the ring with pants around knees, ending up in all sorts of humilaiting positions.

There is plenty of talk into the camera - and focuses a little more on humiliaitng domination rather than two nudes battling it out. Charlie also does an extremley good job of being ' embarressed.' Constant cries of ' No!' whilst trying to pull her panties back up seems to be a little extra bonus.

It might not be completley your taste but hey why not. DT seem to understand where I am coming from and I hold a good rapport. Also as I say in talks with Ringwomen Video, so we'll see what they have to say. They advertise such matches " suited completley to your needs"

Whilst on the subject of DT - Please check out the clip 'Model Abuse' It features JC Marie against two girls. From looking at the picture is it just me or does JC seem to be completley nude. She may be wearing a thong however I cannot really judge from the pic. She seems to be face down on the mat with two clothed females putting her in a hold. See what you think.
Edit just looked again and looks as though Bikini top is on - still very nearly nude though. Looks promising.

With regards to being ' a special type of women ' I agree. The key is though identifying potential ( or previewing a few girls and seeing what their character is ) before, well in my case agreeing to pay. These producers ( naturally ) seem to be very helpful once in talks. Thats why i'm keen to work with Tylene. Looks a very playful / hot / teasing type of girl and I as I say seen hints of just the sort of thing i'm looking for.

Hemo - thanks for the heads up on those sites. I am a member of F/F fights and femmfights but will check out others, along with your comments to asstr and let you know what I think. Again trouble with F/F and femmefights is that both end up nude at the same time. Damsels in peril their sister site is geared up to more what I am after - one girl getting tied up by another ( who is clothed ) whilst they undo her top and or bottoms - whilst they are powerless. Again they could work on trying to be more embarressed, but hey ho well have to see. Again in talks with these over a possible script.

What would be my favourite cfnf scenario? Tough call as I cant remember all off hand. I've seen many a great or nearly great clip throughout the time i've been searching. To be honest things went a little quiet recently however this thread has inspired to me to dig out old thoughts / collections and recall events - so im afraid you'll have to wait with this one.

Edit - Ric flair just seen your post as typing. Thank you with regards to Bare bottom battering! And welcome to the discussion - I reckon with a bit of work we can pull some good material off - stuff we havent seen. Thanks for the info on Francesca / Mia. Again another I havent seen.

[frrio]

Also on closer inspection the Candi vs the Black girl pics look awesome! This needs to be found as video. Obviously not on DT but maybe lurking away on one of those other companies you mentioned?

Wow! Hot! Did you say there are other pics too?

[Cigar4u]

I’ll try to answer Helen’s questions first, then Frrio’s.

RE: Tylene vs. Anastasia: Upon further review, you are correct. I thought it was a flimsy robe she had on. In reality it was a flimsy dress. Shows what I know about women’s clothing.

I’m not making light of this, Helen, because your CFNF wrestling fantasy goes a little beyond mine and I respect that.

Whereas I like one woman wearing just a swimsuit and in barefeet and her opponent nude, you prefer a woman dressed head-to-toe against a woman as naked as the day she was born. I have to admit that is a turn-on that I have not given much thought to, but you are right that really is sexy.

But if it is difficult to find swimsuit vs. nude videos and photos, I reckon it is 10 times more difficult to find fully clothed – including shoes – vs. totally nude matches. To be honest, I don’t know of any company that produces that material. And that makes me feel bad for you.

(There are a lot of companies producing fully clothed women mutually stripping each other nude in a fight, but that’s really not the same thing.)

Helen, because of your particular taste in CFNF wrestling, I would not recommend Tylene vs Anastasia to you, though I would recommend it to Frrio because of what he has written here.

At one point, when Anastasia removes her socks and is starkers, Tylene is still fully clothed. But then, Tylene removes the dress and is in panties, bra, stockings and bare feet. To me, it would have been so much sexier if Tylene were wearing a turtleneck shirt, long pants and knee-high boots (with the pantlegs tucked inside the boots) –and removed nothing.

The reason Anastasia gives for stripping off her cop outfit is so that it wouldn’t get torn in their catfight. So, in some way, that makes sense. But she doesn’t give a reason for removing her panties, bra, shoes and socks – as well as her gun, gun belt and nightstick.

It would have made more sense to me if Anastasia stayed clothed, pulled out her gun and forced Tylene to strip naked, then fight her, damn the potential damage to her blue uniform, which would have been minimal. (But, alas, they don’t pay me to write these scripts. Darn it!)

Helen, I think if you purchased this video you would also be disappointed that despite the obvious clothing disadvantage, Tylene does not dominate her nude opponent. Also, Tylene’s boobs are exposed throughout because her bra cannot contain them. So, in effect, this is a topless vs. nude fight. And the fight is far too even throughout until Tylene gets the upperhand when Anstasia tires.

The ending is cool, but why waste money on a video that is great in the beginning and great in the end but pretty disappointing through most of the middle?

However, on that same tape, is another match involving Tylene as a super heroine, against an equally sized blond. That, I believe, is more to your taste, Helen. In that video, Tylene is ambushed by a woman in a sexy black outfit who renders Tylene powerless with a magic green necklace – much like Superman would be weakened by green kryptonite.

The villain then removes her own outfit and then strips Tylene and puts on Tylene’s super hero costume – including Tylene’s boots -- and tortures the nude Tylene. That confrontation is pretty cool.

The third match on that tape is Franchesca Le beating and stripping Lisa Comshaw. However, Franchesca is virtually topless because her big boobs flop out of her bra early in the fight. Although Franchesca’s bra remains on she doesn’t bother to stuff her breasts back in. Still, it’s a great one-sided match.

Also, Helen, I want to thank you for introducing me to the asstr.net website. There are a lot of great stories. It is going to take me years to read them all. But I cannot find your stories. I tried several entries in the search engine – wrestling, CFNF wrestling, catfights, catfighting, etc.

Could you give me some of the titles of your work or words to enter in the search engine to find your stories? Yes, I would like to read them. I did read a few stories by others, and they were quite good. But almost all searches included a lot of MM gay wrestling stuff. Although there is nothing wrong with that, it’s not what I am into. I prefer reading FF amd FM stories where a female dominates and strips another female or a man.

Finally, to answer your question, I have many favorite CFNF wrestling scenarios, but one that I would really like to see put on video is a bit unusual and quasi historic. Here it is:

One of the combatants would be a Jackie Kennedy lookalike dressed in almost anything – pants suit, shirt and shorts and high heels, 1960s’ style bikini or swimsuit, etc., and a pillbox hat on her trademark poofy brunette hairdoo. The other combatant would be a sexy blond Marilyn Monroe lookalike dressed in almost anything because she wouldn’t have it on for very long.

I would like the producers to shoot the video on 1960s Technicolor stock to make it look more like an old super 8 film. Jackie would enter Marilyn’s bungalow and adminsiter a humiliating beating on Marilyn for having screwed around with JFK in the White House. Jackie would pay special attention to Marilyn’s incredible boobs and crotch during her relentless attack.

Marilyn would wind up nude, humliated and begging a fully clothed Jackie to stop kicking her ass after a totally one-sided fight. Jackie would then force Marilyn to swallow a bottle full of pills then lay her out naked and unconscious on her bed.

Jackie would then readjust her own clothes and her pillbox hat and strut out of the house with Marilyn’s clothes and shoes under her arm as a trophy. Marilyn would be found naked that night by authorities.

The video would end with the camera fading out on a beaten and dying Marilyn nude on her bed, her empty pill bottle at her side – the “real story” about how Marilyn died that night in 1962.

Talk about your Kennedy conspiracies, huh?

Now, I’ll try to answer Frrio’s questions.

I cannot agree with you more that no one video is going to fit exactly one’s taste unless you write, produce and direct it. But that can get real expensive. I reckon you paid at least $300 to $500 for DT to make your video. That’s a lot of money to me.

By the way, once I am done filing this response I am going to the DT site to check out your Bare Bottom Battering. But I also note that from your writing they strayed a little from your script because the victorious girl removed her top. From what you have written here, I don’t think you put that in your script.

That would be one of my fears – paying a company a good sum of money to produce one of my scripts and having some director add stuff that, in effect, is not in line with my desires or wishes. If I write a script calling for a one-sided CFNF wrestling match I would not want the winner to wind up topless. One set of bare boobs is enough for me – the loser’s bare boobs. After all, the C stands for clothed. And clothed means all of the key woman parts being covered. That’s the fantasy. Stick to it.

Also, Frrio, I agree with you about F-F Fights and Femmefights. Most of their material is nude vs. nude. If one woman is wearing garters, stockings and boots – and nothing else – she is still nude. And, again, there is nothing wrong with that. If that’s your taste in female combatants, then god bless you.

But it’s not clothed vs. nude. Period.

Besides, with F-F and Femmefights, I understand the fights are pretty even and the totally nude woman sometimes beats the partially clothed – but in effect -- nude woman. A key element to the clothed vs. nude match fantasy is that the clothed woman dominates the humiliated nude one.

What makes me laugh about F-F and Femmefights is that if one woman is wearing those big boots with sharp clunky high heels why doesn’t the partially clothed woman just stomp on the totally nude woman’s bare feet or kick her in the crotch until the totally naked gal screams her surrender?

No way does a barefoot woman stand a chance against a woman with such weapon-like shoes if the woman who is wearing them knows how to kick and stomp.

To me, it makes no sense for a woman to be stripped naked and overcome the humiliation to win the fight. It may happen in real life if the nude woman is real tough and could care less about being totally exposed. But, again, the spirit of the CFNF match fantasy is that the victor be the one who is fully clothed standing over the loser who is naked and submissive at the winner’s feet.

Helen and Frrio, I hope I answered your questions. If you have more, just ask. And let’s get more people invovled in this discussion. I’m sure there are a bunch of ENF fans who would like to weigh in on this subject.

[frrio]

Your right the videos are expensive and i've only ever done it now and again as it is alot really, too much. Perhpas if you would like to to see something then you could suggest it to me? Just a thought. Your right, the girl does remove her top. The reason being in this case, I didnt mention that she shouldn't ( if you see what I mean, ) and so DT automatically did.

However I let it slip, and we move on learing from experience. In contrast with this I made another video with them and added loads of detail, and to be honest it was a flop because every little slot felt like it was staged I.e the match didnt flow because of me providing them with too much detail. So I guess its about trying to cut a fine balance. I'm pretty confident one day it will be pretty much nailed on.

Cigar - you do a good job of reviewing clips from DT. I think i'll give that clip a miss ( I find the supergirls and police clips even more far fetched than the in ring ones sometimes.

Current project is going to be trying to locate the Candi Video as pictured before!

[hemo101]

Hi Friio and Cigar!

First Friio, I checked my files and the other pictures of Candi's humiliating, one sided catfight with the big black chick had the watermark "Greeneyes.com" printed on it. You could start your search with that site. Hope to see one of your productions soon.

Now for Cigar, thanks for taking time out to catch my works. Sorry if I gave out the site as asstr.net, the correct site is www.asstr.org. Once you enter the site click on the authors section and an alphabetical listing by authors will pop up. Then click the letter H and scroll down till you see hemo101 and click on the name. Then click ftp and a listing of my stories will be displayed. I think there are about five stories there dealing with catfighting. "Justicia", "Madame President", "The Last Battle", "Castaways" and "Castaways: Retribution". Hope you like them.

Like your fantasy fight. Who knows maybe thats what really happened. For all her veneer of gentility maybe deep down the former first lady was really a vindictive b*tch who just had to get more than even with the person who "insulted her". You know a head for a tooth instead of a simple eye for an eye. Hmm. . . care to share a little blow by blow account Cigar?