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Old 02-07-2014, 10:56 AM
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Yes..Unfortunately it seems every year it gets worse and worse with people NOT wanting their pic taken..I attended 3 events last year and atleast one person some times more complained about us and in some cases got pissed!..Public place and all they really have no case...If you're shy then perhaps just pehaps you should keep your clothes on and I can assure you no one will be taking your photograph...I know damn well I won't..lol..
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Old 02-07-2014, 12:21 PM
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I would like to give you an alternate view in the nicest way possible if you wish to read? Nudity maybe a sexual thing for you, but nudity is not always sexual and not always about exhibitionism. As a nudist being naked is about being free, relaxing and enjoying other people who are like-minded. Much of the reason why alot of women will not go naked at a beach or in public is because of people assume they are out there naked to be seen. I know plenty of nudists who will participate in nude events and I can assure you it is not about being seen. In fact, ive met some of those posted in last years Fremont Solstice Parade. I would almost introduce you just to prove the point.

One of the things when nude in public is yes, you are open to being photographed. Whether one is naked or not they should be treated with respect. Asking permission to photograph someone is the best thing one can do. If you come off as a perv, creepy and like a stalker then the response will be negative.
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Old 02-07-2014, 12:27 PM
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Your contributions to this forum are appreciated. Some of what I wrote above is applicable to this response as well. I am comfortable being naked in front of others in a social situation. While I would run the risk of getting photographed, my purpose in being socially naked in public or not has nothing to do with me wanting my pic taken, attention on me and so on. Their will be those who are okay with their pics taken and some will not be. Those who participate in wnbr or the solstice parade may not have a case due to events in public, but the idea that anyone is entitled and can do whatever they want, I find this false. In the end its going to harm those who enjoy the events and pictures. Women will simply stop going.
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Old 02-07-2014, 02:38 PM
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I would like to give you an alternate view in the nicest way possible if you wish to read? Nudity maybe a sexual thing for you, but nudity is not always sexual and not always about exhibitionism.
Nudity isn't a sexual thing with me, I have been around nudists and don't mind stripping down myself, and have done so in the past: in my two years in Japan in the service I spent plenty of time in the Japanese baths, and during my time in Montana I occasionally attended conventions and gatherings with nudists in northern Idaho.

But there's a difference between nudists staying within their own community and people who are using nudity for the purpose of publicity (and of course it's a good cause), as the WNBR's are doing. And asking permission to take pictures is always the best way to go about it. They may not like it, but there are people who are just going to take pictures of naked people for sexual reasons or perhaps because they rarely get to be in the presence of a naked woman anyway, sexually or otherwise. As I see it, unless the photographers are harassing them, they have no reason to complain.

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Old 02-07-2014, 06:04 PM
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I'm always baffled when people act as if there's a heavy, thick line between "sexual" and "non-sexual" nudity. Since sexual feelings seep into most of what we think and feel and do, I wonder if people mean by "sexual" just the sex act. I can see a woman bound up in a very heavy coat walking down the street and some of those feelings will be strongly sexual. Those feelings of freedom one gets from nudity, I understand that completely, and I find freedom itself to be sexually tinged. It's a sort of spirit of life.

If other people are even remotely like me, then there is plenty of sexual feeling going on in the riders and photographers, but much of it on both sides isn't of the raunchier porn kind (though a lot is, obviously). A lot of people seem to be unnecessarily going out of their way to deny any sexuality being involved whatsoever, which I think is impossible. Embrace it and exalt in it, I think, but discourage the photographers who are jerks, and set an example that we can be naked and free and even yes, to some extent sexual, without the usual raunchiness.

And being naked in public is exhibitionism, by definition. We just need to remove the stigma about some kinds of exhibitionism, at least, and make it a more innocent, better sort of idea. I love the joy in the faces of women especially, in these rides, and much of that has to do with being seen. It's not bad. That's freedom, and the enjoyment of it.

Anyway, that's why these arguments are confusing to me. Maybe it's just a word definition thing.
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Old 02-07-2014, 09:08 PM
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I agree with all in your last post. I guess we ask what is their intent on being naked? Is it exhibitionism as in it gets them off being seen in public when normally they may get arrested? In the case of WNBR it is about sending a message, creating awareness for something.
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Old 02-07-2014, 09:20 PM
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Some nudists view their is a huge disconnect between nudism and nude/sex. I think their is not, because clothed or not, we have sexual feeling, we see nude women bodies or naked, and in our brain we process it. Their is this idea of we do not "see" when we are at nudist events or clubs. I am well aware of what is around me when it comes to the women there, so I see, but I think by "see" they mean not judge. Well, I do not act as if it is a pageant, but we as males clearly know what we like, whats attractive, so their is some judgement.

To me sexual nudity is being naked and engaging in sex acts. Non-sexual nudity is being naked and doing the average everyday stuff. Cook, clean, watch tv, yard work and so on. Social nudism for me is when I go to an event, nudist club, spa and I am social and being around others.

Perhaps what caught me in earlier posts we the wording of the comments. If I am naked in the parade or WNBR, I expect that pics will be taken. What I do not like is if I did, that anyone assumes its all about me exhibiting myself intentionally as if I am doing it to get me off. Their are numerous reasons why people like to be naked and the health benefits of doing so.
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Old 02-07-2014, 11:53 PM
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Thanks AF, your second post helped. Maybe "non-sexual" is more about behavior (or imagining behavior-- the act of sex) rather than general feeling. By your definition, I'm all for "non-sexual nudity", though I'd never call it that. I love nudity incorporated into everyday life, and activities. I'm not imagining having sex while looking at these photos.

As for exhibitionism, maybe it's down to word choice again. I find it very hard to believe that there isn't a thrill from breaking this huge taboo that's ingrained in all of us. That feeling of freedom must have a strong sexual element... it must be in there somewhere, even if no sex act is on the mind. I think it's just human. Refer to it as "getting off" though, and that wonderful, expansive, physical, animalistic feeling becomes sordid.

I can't imagine that the good, valid, important message of WNBR is all people have on their minds. I can't believe that thousands of people who never would think about being naked in public otherwise, heard about this way of protesting overdependence on oil, and said "Hmm, this sounds like an interesting way to send the message." Is it even the best way to send that message? You don't break that millennia-old taboo in that practical or casual a way, just for politics.

I'm going on too much about this, and I'm not sure why. I'll figure that out after I sleep and rest my brain a bit...
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Old 02-08-2014, 05:49 AM
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When I speak of non-sexual nudity is about behavior because, if I am with a woman naked, their is no penetration, no oral, and no manual stimulation for me this is non-sexual. No sex act.

I think when it is spoken about people in parade and exhibiting themselves its best to differentiate this way. Those who participate in WNBR.....do you see the difference between participating and not minding being seeing vs. wanting to be seen? If I were to participate, I would to mind being seen because to be naked in public, I would have to agree, I will be seen, possibly pics taken. On the other side, if I wanted to be seen it be more like...I am going to get naked, I want ppl to see me, it turns me on, gets me off and the more ppl who takes pics, then great. This is how I view it, for me.

Their maybe a thrill but is it the thrill of being seen by others or the thrill of..I dont give a fuck, im naked, its non-offensive and if ppl dont like it then their choice? Is nudity taboo? Sure. Is nudity on its own offensive? Some view yes. My opinion is that me being naked may offend ppl so....instead of me walking around in public in daily life naked, why not have spaces, events where ppl maybe naked amongst those who also agree with it. If their is to be a nude beach, post proper signs, say beyond this point nude ppl will be. Their are some activists who think everyone has the right to be naked whenever, wherever. This would not offend me. Its a personal thing i guess where I dnt wish to place my believes and morals on others. If you wish to not see me naked, fine. But, please have equal opportunity for those who wish to be nude and not.

The funny thing about the word "all" as you used it, I use it and others is....we can never say all. It implies 100 pct. I had an ex gf who was in stats. To say all, majority and so on, from her I kind of got in the mindset of how do we arrive at this conclusion. When you say you cant imagine all have the message of wnbr in their head whilke participating, of course not. Some are out to be seen naked and the thrill, some maybe want exercise, others realize that a naked body is a tool that causes awareness. I can sit downtown and protest an issue, be dressed and ppl walk by like whatever. If I or even women are naked, then ppl stop, pay attention. We see this in SF with Gypsy Taub.

Are you going on too much? Of course not. My comments prob caught your attention and I was not trying to be an ass. Some of the comments from you and the other caught my attention as if assumptions were being made and I did not agree. Rather than us argue, we have had a great conversation. Maybe we do not agree 100 pct, but why should we. We got to know eachother based on this topic and had a respectful conversation. I find this important.

I think this forum is great. I think it is great because I recognize ppl take risks, time out of their lives and are giving by posting pictures for the rest to enjoy. As a nudist, it is interesting to see allt he different events in the world that go on. Places I have not been and may never go. I also am less attracted to the explicit sex pics. What I find attractive is the every day naked woman, on a beach, in the woods or wherever whose body is art, but yes, can also be stimulating and viewed as sexual because if I have attraction, maybe they initiate certain feelings of attraction.
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Old 02-11-2014, 02:46 AM
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I guess this is a forum and a certain amount of talking is to be expected but the real reason we are here is for the pics and NOT a lengthy discussion so back to why we're all here..
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