Movie & TV EUFs

[hal9000i]

Originally Posted by lonmol

Jessica Alba said that every time she signs on to do a movie, they write an underwear scene for her...and who can blame them? Now that she's a billionairess, she never has to take her clothes off again. Christina Ricci was really embarrassed showing her underwear when she was younger, but she's probably overcome it. She was in her panties for 95% of Black Snake Moan. I forgot about Scarlett Johansson. She actually owes her entire career to her pantied ass, and that's not an exaggeration.

I remember the film "After Life" (2009) where Ricci does more than appear in her underwear...she goes nude.

Now there was a lot of hype about this film, and wild exaggerations about Ricci "spending half the film naked"...when in fact her nude screen time was about 6 minutes total. And carefully filmed-- her with a leg raised, under a sheet, turned to the side, no full frontals...

I bring it up because a lot the time these claims---nude and underwear-- are wildly inflated. One has to take them with a grain of salt.

I do agree though about the actors you mention...that history is well established.

[lonmol]

Originally Posted by hal9000i

I remember the film "After Life" (2009) where Ricci does more than appear in her underwear...she goes nude.

Now there was a lot of hype about this film, and wild exaggerations about Ricci "spending half the film naked"...when in fact her nude screen time was about 6 minutes total. And carefully filmed-- her with a leg raised, under a sheet, turned to the side, no full frontals...

I bring it up because a lot the time these claims---nude and underwear-- are wildly inflated. One has to take them with a grain of salt.

I do agree though about the actors you mention...that history is well established.

I have After Life on DVD. It was a rather disappointing film, but I didn't buy it for the story. I also have Black Snake Moan, and Anything Else. Two of Ricci's best underwear films. The underwear scenes do not disappoint in Black Snake Moan, but I think she looked her best in Anything Else. Jessica Alba's best scene was in Fantastic 4, and Scarlett Johansson's best underwear scene was in The Nanny Diaries. Lost in Translation is more famous, but it's not nearly as good.

[hal9000i]

On a related issue, I always find it amusing when an actor states (or someone agrees) that nude and underwear scenes should only be included in a project if they're necessary or integral to the plot. And you see a lot of this.

I have to laugh at that because in almost all cases, it's a written script-- an artistic choice. In a written script, very few things are absolute and necessary when it comes to clothing.

An example I like to use is a scene that takes place on a beach in summer. The actors are talking. They could be in bathing suits, the girl in a skimpy bikini. Or she could be wearing shorts. Or a light summer dress. The girl could be nude. Is there a "right" choice here? a "necessary" one? and does it have to be "necessary"? who says so? it's an artistic choice by the film maker.

Or take a scene where a couple is on the run. They are at a motel. They have just woken up and believe the police will be there any minute. So they start scrambling. Now at this point, what is 'necessary" to move the plot forward? the girl could scramble out of bed in her undies...or she could be nude. Or wearing a pair of sweats. Which choice is logical and likely? well, all of them as it turns out. Or the film maker could show the couple waking up, covered by a sheet, and then cut to the outside as they run dressed to their car. An artistic choice.

Perhaps one of the most famous examples of this is the underwear scene at the end of "Alien" (1979). Sigourney Weaver's character of Ripley strips down to skimpy panties and tank top in preparation for hyper sleep, which we have seen established at the start of the movie. Yet this is probably one of the most controversial underwear scenes in movie history, with critics calling it "sexist" and "not necessary to move the plot forward"

So I always call bullsh** when an actor or others get up on their virtue signaling high horse and say stuff like this.

[lonmol]

Originally Posted by hal9000i

On a related issue, I always find it amusing when an actor states (or someone agrees) that nude and underwear scenes should only be included in a project if they're necessary or integral to the plot. And you see a lot of this.

I have to laugh at that because in almost all cases, it's a written script-- an artistic choice. In a written script, very few things are absolute and necessary when it comes to clothing.

An example I like to use is a scene that takes place on a beach in summer. The actors are talking. They could be in bathing suits, the girl in a skimpy bikini. Or she could be wearing shorts. Or a light summer dress. The girl could be nude. Is there a "right" choice here? a "necessary" one? and does it have to be "necessary"? who says so? it's an artistic choice by the film maker.

Or take a scene where a couple is on the run. They are at a motel. They have just woken up and believe the police will be there any minute. So they start scrambling. Now at this point, what is 'necessary" to move the plot forward? the girl could scramble out of bed in her undies...or she could be nude. Or wearing a pair of sweats. Which choice is logical and likely? well, all of them as it turns out. Or the film maker could show the couple waking up, covered by a sheet, and then cut to the outside as they run dressed to their car. An artistic choice.

Perhaps one of the most famous example of this is the underwear scene at the end of "Alien" (1979). Sigourney Weaver's character of Ripley strips down to skimpy panties and tank top in preparation for hyper sleep, which we have seen established at the start of the movie. Yet this is probably one of the most controversial underwear scenes in movie history, with critics calling it "sexist" and "not necessary to move the plot forward"

So I always call bullsh** when an actor or others get up on their virtue signaling high horse and say stuff like this.

There was no controversy over the Alien scene when it first came out. In fact, it was strange not to have a nude scene in an R rated film in 1979. Bra and panty scenes were more common in PG rated films.

[hal9000i]

Originally Posted by lonmol

I have After Life on DVD. It was a rather disappointing film, but I didn't buy it for the story. I also have Black Snake Moan, and Anything Else. Two of Ricci's best underwear films. The underwear scenes do not disappoint in Black Snake Moan, but I think she looked her best in Anything Else. Jessica Alba's best scene was in Fantastic 4, and Scarlett Johansson's best underwear scene was in The Nanny Diaries. Lost in Translation is more famous, but it's not nearly as good.

Ha! I know what you mean about not buying the DVD for the movie.

Although I have to say I have not purchased an actual DVD physical copy in years.

I must have a library of almost 500 movies on DVD in various formats-- standard and blu ray-- but I find that I don't often spin up a disc anymore. Just too lazy I guess. Sometimes I want to see a certain scene for whatever reason-- I can usually find that on youtube.

Other times I'll just go to Amazon and spend the $2.99 to rent a movie I already have because I don't want to fuss with getting the movie and throwing it on the DVD player...again, how lazy is that?

(guilty as charged)

[hal9000i]

Originally Posted by lonmol

There was no controversy over the Alien scene when it first came out. In fact, it was strange not to have a nude scene in an R rated film in 1979. Bra and panty scenes were more common in PG rated films.

Well I agree with that...it was only years later when the culture changed and political correctness and virtue signaling set in that the controversy began.

Remember the flap over the "Star Trek Into Darkness" (2013) underwear scene with actor Alice Eve? the director actually APOLOGIZED- publicly- for including an underwear scene.

Likewise, in "Return of the Living Dead" (1985) Linnea Quigley (arguably the first post modern scream queen of nudity along with Barbara Crampton) gets nude in a cemetery. We all remember her nude dance on the burial vault with fondness I'm sure

Anyway, in the commentary on the DVD release, the director second guesses his artistic choice, and states for the sake of "fairness" he should have had one of the male characters undress as well.

Applying current standards and views and retro fitting them to past events is nothing new I guess.

[lonmol]

Originally Posted by hal9000i

Ha! I know what you mean about not buying the DVD for the movie.

Although I have to say I have not purchased an actual DVD physical copy in years.

I must have a library of almost 500 movies on DVD in various formats-- standard and blu ray-- but I find that I don't often spin up a disc anymore. Just too lazy I guess. Sometimes I want to see a certain scene for whatever reason-- I can usually find that on youtube.

Other times I'll just go to Amazon and spend the $2.99 to rent a movie I already have because I don't want to fuss with getting the movie and throwing it on the DVD player...again, how lazy is that?

(guilty as charged)

I have stacks of DVDs that I bought just for a 2 minute scene here, or a 5 minute scene there...and not because I'm a film buff. Before the internet, one of the main reasons you went to the movies was for the nudity. The first question your friends asked if you saw a film they hadn't was; "Was there any nudity?"

[lonmol]

Originally Posted by hal9000i

Well I agree with that...it was only years later when the culture changed and political correctness and virtue signaling set in that the controversy began.

Remember the flap over the "Star Trek Into Darkness" (2013) underwear scene with actor Alice Eve? the director actually APOLOGIZED- publicly- for including an underwear scene.

Likewise, in "Return of the Living Dead" (1985) Linnea Quigley (arguably the first post modern scream queen of nudity along with Barbara Crampton) gets nude in a cemetery. We all remember her nude dance on the burial vault with fondness I'm sure

Anyway, in the commentary on the DVD release, the director second guesses his artistic choice, and states for the sake of "fairness" he should have had one of the male characters undress as well.

Applying current standards and views and retro fitting them to past events is nothing new I guess.

The Star Trek director should have apologized for making that entire film. The Alice Eve underwear scene was the only good thing in it. The nudity in Return of the Living Dead made Linnea Quigley's career, and we didn't even know she wore a modesty patch. Everyone thought she'd shaved off all of her pubic hair, which was unheard of at the time. The Barbara Crampton Reanimator full frontal scene was incredible. I saw that film when it first came out, and the entire theater gasped when they put the severed head between her legs. Barbara Crampton sarcastically refers to that as "her mother's favorite scene".
The actor who played the severed head caught flak from his wife over it, too. According to Barbara Crampton, she turned to him during the screening and said with disgust "How could you?" They sure don't make 'em like that anymore.

[hal9000i]

Originally Posted by lonmol

Here's a GiF of the second part of the scene. Everyone forgets this part. This is the best shot I've ever seen of her panties, and now I can see that they're traditional full-cut granny panties. It was nothing short of criminal putting Beth Behrs in those horrible panties. They should have had her wear something along the lines of the second photo. Those panties are modest enough for television, but still very sexy.

Well this is an old trick TV trick that comes very close to the definition of "costume underwear"--- full coverage panties worn OVER pantyhose--- the illusion that you're seeing something illicit when you're really not.

So I guess the argument that could be made is that the girl is not REALLY showing her undies-- that's concealed under the "costume underwear"...

You saw a lot of this on television back in the day-- Three's Company", a few times on "Laverne & Shirley", the old "Logan's Run tv show..."Star Trek" TOS of course. ... and we still see it used today.

[mogs]

Originally Posted by hal9000i

On a related issue, I always find it amusing when an actor states (or someone agrees) that nude and underwear scenes should only be included in a project if they're necessary or integral to the plot. And you see a lot of this.

I have to laugh at that because in almost all cases, it's a written script-- an artistic choice. In a written script, very few things are absolute and necessary when it comes to clothing.

An example I like to use is a scene that takes place on a beach in summer. The actors are talking. They could be in bathing suits, the girl in a skimpy bikini. Or she could be wearing shorts. Or a light summer dress. The girl could be nude. Is there a "right" choice here? a "necessary" one? and does it have to be "necessary"? who says so? it's an artistic choice by the film maker.

Or take a scene where a couple is on the run. They are at a motel. They have just woken up and believe the police will be there any minute. So they start scrambling. Now at this point, what is 'necessary" to move the plot forward? the girl could scramble out of bed in her undies...or she could be nude. Or wearing a pair of sweats. Which choice is logical and likely? well, all of them as it turns out. Or the film maker could show the couple waking up, covered by a sheet, and then cut to the outside as they run dressed to their car. An artistic choice.

Perhaps one of the most famous examples of this is the underwear scene at the end of "Alien" (1979). Sigourney Weaver's character of Ripley strips down to skimpy panties and tank top in preparation for hyper sleep, which we have seen established at the start of the movie. Yet this is probably one of the most controversial underwear scenes in movie history, with critics calling it "sexist" and "not necessary to move the plot forward"

So I always call bullsh** when an actor or others get up on their virtue signaling high horse and say stuff like this.

Im sure when the cheque book is opened wide enough the artistic necessity is soon forgotten . These people are wh*r*s for money and fame and the veil of integrity is soon dropped when there enough zeros involved . Halle Berry for example refused to ever go topless in any film ever , she is a serious actor and doesnt want to be known for anything other than her ability to play make believe ..... sure enough in the film swordfish she went topless , with zero artistic merit but for a nice little bonus of $500,000 . Not bad for 2 seconds work .
I suspect that this then earned the film way way more than was paid thanks to the `` shock value ``
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But either way its about presentaton .
A beach .... if someones hanging around for the day then they arnt likely to be in a summer dress for the duration . The clothes or lack of tell there own narration . Popping to chat to someone ? summer dress , activity on the beach ? appropriate clothing , sweating it out for hours in the sun .... as little as possible . Its framing and making a story convincing . An awful film called Summer Lovers with Daryl Hannah uses this to its best effect .