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Originally Posted by kingdavid
With women...you can use the word NAKED...and get interest...although quite often just TOPLESS...with men...
NAKED is NAKED...a real double standard.
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OK, you are sort of forcing me to get into this from a semantic point of view. If you look up "naked" in the dictionary, you will find a lot of short definitions. The first may be simply something like "without clothes" - not too helpful. Others, though, say things like "without ADEQUATE clothing" or "without THE CUSTOMARY covering". Now we are getting somewhere. Because by those latter definitions, a topless-only woman would qualify as "naked". So might even someone of either sex just walking around in their underwear. I mean, no one has ever made it clear to me EXACTLY what naked means. The dictionary does not stress unequivacably that the individual MUST not be wearing a stitch of clothing. So naked can be fully nude, topless, undies only - all these states of undress could conceivable qualify as "naked" and have and will continue to be used by folks in refering to them. I understand your point about the double standard, and it is the same point used by feminists when discussing topless equality. Feminists would not like women to be considered naked if they are just topless any more than you would consider a man naked. That is the basis of their argument. But unfortunately, until there is full acceptance of bare breasts among the general public, many people are still going to refer to topless women as "naked" (i.e without adequate clothing or without the customary clothing) and who at wikipedia is going to argue? PErsonally, for the purposes of OCC where we are only really interested in the women, we have two states: topless and fully nude. Those are the terms that I use. I do not use naked as much simply because it IS ambiguous. I didn't look up nude yet, so I don't know if there is a substantial difference in its definition compared to naked. But anyway, so there you have it: the term "naked" is ambiguous and will continue to be so when it comes to posting pics here! So if one is ONLY interested in full nudity as you seem to be, that is going to continue to be a bit of a problem. Not a double standard really, because the
term is still being used correctly. The double standard then is not really in the use of the term, but in the underlying customs and morality that brand a topless woman "naked" but not a man. I would guess that in different cultures including tribal cultures, these terms and their exact meaning might be a lot different. Who knows. But as long as a topless woman is not "adequately covered" by our standards of morality in the modern world, then using the term "naked" to describe her is not incorrect grammatically!
Klondike
09-08-2010, 02:40 PM
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