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[Fox Mulder]

I work at trying to make my threads fun and unique. I've come up with themes to make them so. People seem to like my threads, not just for the content, but also for the themes. However, there's a collection of members who add pictures to my threads (and other's threads) that are off theme and frankly, add nothing to the threads. I just had to ask the mods to delete three posts on a thread that starts out specifically asking that members just enjoy the thread and not add their own pictures. The mods have better things to do. I would rather be adding new content than policing my threads. I don't want to be an ass about this, but it sucks to try to do a good thread and have others come along with unwanted off theme junk. It's out of control now, as this happens daily on my popular threads.

As I've said before, this forum is a library of sorts. I'll state this simply. Themes help members find content they wish to view and avoid what they don't. If I want to see women wearing hats, I'll go to a thread that features women wearing hats. If these random guys who post anywhere and everywhere add pictures of women without hats to the hat thread, they delute the thread. I see this as a problem. Others in the community of OCC agree.

There has got to be a solution. Here's some suggestions: I move that we add a forum rule to more easily allow members to close their threads to outside posters if they wish. This may be accomplished by a flag, or a statement added to our signature. Or maybe posters should be required to start threads of their own before they're allowed to contribute to others. If they had worthwhile pics, that one thread would give them the audience they seek, wouldn't it? Maybe in the next software update there could be a photo lock out of some sort...we still do want members to be able to add comments.

Yes, there's the solution that if we don't want guest posters, we can just post in albums. Many don't want to post in albums because of the limited pages and lack of viewership. If the album section prevents others from posting unwanted pictures, why can't that feature (eventually) extend to the main forum or some sort of hybrid forum. Maybe another category could be added to the main forum? We have Hardcore, Softcore, Video, Embarrassed, Exhibitionist, Women of OCC, etc catagories ...how about a section featuring Do Not Add Photos threads?
Members, Mods, Administration...please weigh in.

[Turtle]

We can't really stop people posting in any thread the way the forum runs at the moment.
Maybe Admin can limit threads to one poster alone, but they'd have to let you know that. I'd think it could be done, but Mods don't have that power.

[Wetmac]

Originally Posted by Fox Mulder

I work at trying to make my threads fun and unique. I've come up with themes to make them so. People seem to like my threads, not just for the content, but also for the themes. However, there's a collection of members who add pictures to my threads (and other's threads) that are off theme and frankly, add nothing to the threads. I just had to ask the mods to delete three posts on a thread that starts out specifically asking that members just enjoy the thread and not add their own pictures. The mods have better things to do. I would rather be adding new content than policing my threads. I don't want to be an ass about this, but it sucks to try to do a good thread and have others come along with unwanted off theme junk. It's out of control now, as this happens daily on my popular threads.

As I've said before, this forum is a library of sorts. I'll state this simply. Themes help members find content they wish to view and avoid what they don't. If I want to see women wearing hats, I'll go to a thread that features women wearing hats. If these random guys who post anywhere and everywhere add pictures of women without hats to the hat thread, they delute the thread. I see this as a problem. Others in the community of OCC agree.

There has got to be a solution. Here's some suggestions: I move that we add a forum rule to more easily allow members to close their threads to outside posters if they wish. This may be accomplished by a flag, or a statement added to our signature. Or maybe posters should be required to start threads of their own before they're allowed to contribute to others. If they had worthwhile pics, that one thread would give them the audience they seek, wouldn't it? Maybe in the next software update there could be a photo lock out of some sort...we still do want members to be able to add comments.

Yes, there's the solution that if we don't want guest posters, we can just post in albums. Many don't want to post in albums because of the limited pages and lack of viewership. If the album section prevents others from posting unwanted pictures, why can't that feature (eventually) extend to the main forum or some sort of hybrid forum. Maybe another category could be added to the main forum? We have Hardcore, Softcore, Video, Embarrassed, Exhibitionist, Women of OCC, etc catagories ...how about a section featuring Do Not Add Photos threads?
Members, Mods, Administration...please weigh in.

Private albums is really the best option for now. If you have a very specific requirement I'd imagine the albums will provide enough space for those images. Even if not, there is always an option to create eg 'women with hats album 2' and so on.

[Fox Mulder]

Thank you, Wetmac and Turtle, for weighing in. I think I brought this up a while back and Wetmac's answer is what I recall. I brought it up again hoping that if admin sees this as a concern for members, site updates might one day include a solution. I might move some of my threads back to the album section. Meanwhile, I changed my signature as you can see below. I hope that helps a little. I always put my thread themes on post # 1, but many posters don't look back that far on a thread before they post, so those folks have the excuse they just didn't see the theme. The signature shows up on all my posts, so they won't have to look far, but people still have to bother to read it. I shall endeavor to persevere.

[jim914109]

Originally Posted by Fox Mulder

Thank you, Wetmac and Turtle, for weighing in. I think I brought this up a while back and Wetmac's answer is what I recall. I brought it up again hoping that if admin sees this as a concern for members, site updates might one day include a solution. I might move some of my threads back to the album section. Meanwhile, I changed my signature as you can see below. I hope that helps a little. I always put my thread themes on post # 1, but many posters don't look back that far on a thread before they post, so those folks have the excuse they just didn't see the theme. The signature shows up on all my posts, so they won't have to look far, but people still have to bother to read it. I shall endeavor to persevere.

Fox Mulder:
Right now I see the two biggest issues/problems here at OCC to be:
1) Users don't honor thread theme and routinely post off-topic material. That totally deters me from starting a new thread - the thought of it being almost immediately corrupted by off-topic material stops me in my tracks.
2) There are several mass re-posters here who take anything original you may have found and repost it - sometimes within days. They get 100-plus thanks in comparison to the fifteen you yourself got. What's my incentive for working to find something original?

I used to be a regular contributor here, scouring sites like Flickr finding new material. New material doesn't seem to be appreciated at all anymore - not when warmed-over, off-topic reposts get over a hundred thanks.

In addition, I'm finding users trying to pass off pro art-nude model pics as amateur finds on almost a daily basis. One was an image of an art-nude model I know personally and who I'd shot myself; the poster tried to pass her off as ENF! ENF? She was the least wary model I'd ever shot - she walked around naked for an hour here in the local greenway trails, even after a hiker had come down a parallel trail with 20 feet of us within five minutes of the start of the shoot. ENF my ass!

[Wetmac]

Originally Posted by jim914109

Fox Mulder:
Right now I see the two biggest issues/problems here at OCC to be:
1) Users don't honor thread theme and routinely post off-topic material. That totally deters me from starting a new thread - the thought of it being almost immediately corrupted by off-topic material stops me in my tracks.
2) There are several mass re-posters here who take anything original you may have found and repost it - sometimes within days. They get 100-plus thanks in comparison to the fifteen you yourself got. What's my incentive for working to find something original?

I used to be a regular contributor here, scouring sites like Flickr finding new material. New material doesn't seem to be appreciated at all anymore - not when warmed-over, off-topic reposts get over a hundred thanks.

In addition, I'm finding users trying to pass off pro art-nude model pics as amateur finds on almost a daily basis. One was an image of an art-nude model I know personally and who I'd shot myself; the poster tried to pass her off as ENF! ENF? She was the least wary model I'd ever shot - she walked around naked for an hour here in the local greenway trails, even after a hiker had come down a parallel trail with 20 feet of us within five minutes of the start of the shoot. ENF my ass!

The reality is that new completely unseen images are rare. The forum would likely cease to exist if we relied on images or videos posted by the photographer himself. Personally I give little thought to getting 'likes' for posts I make on an internet forum. Frankly life is too short to worry about the small stuff.

If, As you say you are not enjoying the forums and making no worthwhile contribution to finding and posting new content, then frankly you are part of the problem and not the solution.

[jim914109]

Originally Posted by Wetmac

The reality is that new completely unseen images are rare. The forum would likely cease to exist if we relied on images or videos posted by the photographer himself. Personally I give little thought to getting 'likes' for posts I make on an internet forum. Frankly life is too short to worry about the small stuff.

If, As you say you are not enjoying the forums and making no worthwhile contribution to finding and posting new content, then frankly you are part of the problem and not the solution.

I think you are highlighting the reality that OCC management is trying very hard to ignore - that since about 2009, the paradigm has shifted on the web. The websites that have gained huge traction since then are sites that allow virtually no nudity, sites like Facebook and Instagram. Does Webshots even still exist anymore? I haven't been there since probably 2010. Does anyone post nude snapshots in public view on Flickr anymore? Not many, from what I see.

Every once in a while I come across an interesting find on the web (there are still some out there); I think about possibly posting some of the images, then I remember - oh, if I post it it will be reposted by another OCC user a week later and he will get over a hundred thanks for it. While I got fifteen. E-I-E-I-O.

I think if you are the champion for reposts of reposts of repost images originally from 2006 with 800px on the long side, you may be a part of the issue. Pretending to ignore ten-plus years of sea-change on the web seems... well... strange, at the very least. Nothing changes here; the forum is divided up into the exact same five topics up on top that it was in 2005 when I joined. Yet everything on the web has changed. I don't remember a change being made to the forum software since "likes" were added, probably about ten years ago - in a web world where things change monthly. And you say to me "frankly you are part of the problem and not the solution." You won't even consider a change - and get seemingly combative when it is suggested - yet I am the problem? I honestly don't think so.

I have lots of ideas. But someone needs to listen to them. You don't wanna hear them? Okay fine. But you can't have it both ways, in saying "The reality is that new completely unseen images are rare" and then castigating me for not seeking out this non-existent new content.

Next issue: "The forum would likely cease to exist if we relied on images or videos posted by the photographer himself." You couldn't be wronger on this score, but I think that's the result of living in the huge circular reference that OCC has become. I have over 10,000 art and glamour-nude images taken over the past eight years, the huge preponderance of which have never been seen anywhere on the web. I create more almost every month when Covid is not raging. Most of the nude images that I had posted elsewhere on the web have since been taken down. The images are hi-resolution with mostly high-end production values. And I have full rights to do with them as I see fit. There are tons of opportunities along these lines, as I know many other photographers in the same situation. It's just that this material is incredibly expensive to produce, especially on an ongoing basis. Getting content like that for OCC would require thinking outside the very small OCC box though.

[patrockhard]

I'm not a very active poster, I hit thanks and occasionally comment but only post if I'm pretty sure I have something new to add so take that as you will, but here's my $0.02:

I love the prolific posters like Fox, Osreb, Nudieman, Crispus and the like. For me the thing that keeps me from posting more is that when I scour sites to try to find new stuff I often think I've found a gem and when I go digging in whatever thread it would belong in I find that it's on page 37 of 400 and while it hasn't been seen in years is still a repeat.

On the few occasions I've tried to find new links, such as working off of Splayaa's phenomenal work in the Boudoir threads often I've met with success, but sometimes mu additions get deleted without me knowing any reason why. I assume I broke a rule somehow that I did not intend to, but without knowing I'd rather not contribute and risk running foul of the mods.

I think that Fox may be on to great idea with creating a sub-forum specifically for threads that guest posters are not allowed on, i.e. "hardcore" "voyeur" "keep your grubby hands off my thread" etc., in this way it would be very easy to not only police the threads but also to identify habitual offenders or at the very least those that don't read the rules rather than simply misunderstanding them in some way.

I apologize for the rambling response, but I love this forum and really want to see it continue to grow and be healthy instead of turning into a pit of fragmented threads, stubs, and infighting like most forums end up. Fango one one of the first mods I interacted with here, and he's always kept a fair and balanced tone in the comments, I appreciate this. Seal, while a bit abrasive, was excellent at policing the threads and keeping folks working within the rules. I just think that there is a balance that can be struck between allowing the best and most prolific posters control over their creations and not having a chilling effect on would-be posters.

Cheers,

Pat

[twowide]

Originally Posted by jim914109

Fox Mulder:
Right now I see the two biggest issues/problems here at OCC to be:
1) Users don't honor thread theme and routinely post off-topic material. That totally deters me from starting a new thread - the thought of it being almost immediately corrupted by off-topic material stops me in my tracks.
2) There are several mass re-posters here who take anything original you may have found and repost it - sometimes within days. They get 100-plus thanks in comparison to the fifteen you yourself got. What's my incentive for working to find something original?

I used to be a regular contributor here, scouring sites like Flickr finding new material. New material doesn't seem to be appreciated at all anymore - not when warmed-over, off-topic reposts get over a hundred thanks.

In addition, I'm finding users trying to pass off pro art-nude model pics as amateur finds on almost a daily basis. One was an image of an art-nude model I know personally and who I'd shot myself; the poster tried to pass her off as ENF! ENF? She was the least wary model I'd ever shot - she walked around naked for an hour here in the local greenway trails, even after a hiker had come down a parallel trail with 20 feet of us within five minutes of the start of the shoot. ENF my ass!

Originally Posted by Fox Mulder

I work at trying to make my threads fun and unique. I've come up with themes to make them so. People seem to like my threads, not just for the content, but also for the themes. However, there's a collection of members who add pictures to my threads (and other's threads) that are off theme and frankly, add nothing to the threads. I just had to ask the mods to delete three posts on a thread that starts out specifically asking that members just enjoy the thread and not add their own pictures. The mods have better things to do. I would rather be adding new content than policing my threads. I don't want to be an ass about this, but it sucks to try to do a good thread and have others come along with unwanted off theme junk. It's out of control now, as this happens daily on my popular threads.

As I've said before, this forum is a library of sorts. I'll state this simply. Themes help members find content they wish to view and avoid what they don't. If I want to see women wearing hats, I'll go to a thread that features women wearing hats. If these random guys who post anywhere and everywhere add pictures of women without hats to the hat thread, they delute the thread. I see this as a problem. Others in the community of OCC agree.

There has got to be a solution. Here's some suggestions: I move that we add a forum rule to more easily allow members to close their threads to outside posters if they wish. This may be accomplished by a flag, or a statement added to our signature. Or maybe posters should be required to start threads of their own before they're allowed to contribute to others. If they had worthwhile pics, that one thread would give them the audience they seek, wouldn't it? Maybe in the next software update there could be a photo lock out of some sort...we still do want members to be able to add comments.

Yes, there's the solution that if we don't want guest posters, we can just post in albums. Many don't want to post in albums because of the limited pages and lack of viewership. If the album section prevents others from posting unwanted pictures, why can't that feature (eventually) extend to the main forum or some sort of hybrid forum. Maybe another category could be added to the main forum? We have Hardcore, Softcore, Video, Embarrassed, Exhibitionist, Women of OCC, etc catagories ...how about a section featuring Do Not Add Photos threads?
Members, Mods, Administration...please weigh in.

Originally Posted by Turtle

We can't really stop people posting in any thread the way the forum runs at the moment.
Maybe Admin can limit threads to one poster alone, but they'd have to let you know that. I'd think it could be done, but Mods don't have that power.

Please. Why are there so many "Invalid Albums" ? IFyou accept Fees to make ALL Published Items visible, why are they ALL not as YOU describe ?

[Wetmac]

Please let me reply to each comment in turn. But can I first say, any thoughts or suggestions you have please feel free to pm admin with. My replies here are not meant in any way offensively to any member.


jim914109:
From what I can see, your biggest bugbear is somebody else posting the same image as you did, but that other user getting more likes. None of us know where the majority of these images originated. If you post it one day and another user a few days later, they could well of come from two different sources. I'd suggest you take a step back and think about what you are worrying about if 'likes' is an issue. Does getting kudos from Guys & Girls on a porn forum really matter that much in the grand scheme of things?

OCC was originally created to share amateur images. I'm not sure what other topics we would actually require. The only thing I'd possibly suggest is allowing more 'out there' amateur content like bondage, spanking etc; Simply because these things have become much more mainstream.

The content you describe producing, probably does not fit in with the ethos of what the site was created for. People come to OCC to see 'Girl next Door' content, Not models posing taken with expensive camera equipment. There are thousands of pro sites out there for that kind of thing.

patrockhard
I've had a look through your posts and can see only two removals. One from Fango as a repeat and another where the post you made, the link had became password protected. I hope these two things have not put you off from posting altogether.

None of the existing mods will remove content just for the sake of it. It was decided a while back by the moderators and the site owner to try and give the benefit of the doubt in most cases. The majority of removals come by way of other members complaining & reporting. None of us want to piss off users that take the time to make posts.


twowide
From what I can see, you haven't actually become a pass user. I cannot remember if you needed to be a pass user to access the albums. Even if so there is a massive amount of content within the regular forums. There are some users who choose to keep their albums private to share among friends. This is their right as the ones who took the time to upload them, However they really are in a tiny minority.

In the mean time, as I say, if having control over what is posted within your collection is important. Then utilise the album facility. Hope this is of help to you guys.