My nude beach photos...

[Pedro the Fisherman]

So many questions, so little time!!!! This is an interesting philosophical point....

One more thing pedro: what percentage of women have pubic hair versus shave their vaginas? I like a woman with a nice hairy bush.

As you can see from the pictures, the more natural look is preffered here in southern Europe. Some (how shall I say this) 'less well educated' girls go for piercings, tatoos and shaving, but they are the minority.

Do you happen to know the percentage of Spanish women who are willing to go nude on the beach?

I would say from experience that the majority of naturist beach users (in the under 30 age bracket) are university/professional types of girls. The 'arty' types dominate too. In other parts of europe (in the North), it is very rare to see girls of this type on dedicated naturist beaches at all, these are usually the inhabited by the 'over 50's' of both sexes.
As far as percentages go for all Spanish women?? I would say 40% topless go on busy town beaches. On a full naturist beach, almost all the women will go naked and (failing that) virtually all will at least go topless (time of the month sometimes causes the the bottoms to remain on..but not always). I cannot really say how that breaks down for the whole female population, but I would say only about 10% are regular nude beach users. This morning, out of 100 nude beach users, I would say 40% were women, 60% men. Single women are much more in evidence here too.


However, 5 years ago it was normal to see whole naturist families (including teenagers of both sexes) stripping on beaches. Recently, this has almost stopped completely. Nowadays, it is normal to see the teenagers wearing large one piece swimsuits (girls) and huge long baggy shorts (boys), whilst their parents lay naked on the beach, even beaches where nudity is 'compulsary'. If this trend continues, the tide will change here too. The cult of 'the perfect body' in all the media is actually stopping the only generation that comes close to having a 'perfect body' ( or at least the media image of it) from displaying it!

I do not think cameras/camera phones have made any difference, it is the peer pressure on youngsters that is changing them. In a society that is making them more resistant to nudity is also contributing to them becoming 'adults' when only 11 or 12, together with a huge increase of teenage pregnancies. If the nudity taboo was lifted and they were able to enjoy thier bodies without always being told about sex in the teenage media, I am sure things would be better. IMHO, the changes seen on nudist beaches are not caused by the occasional digital image by the odd voyeur, but by huge media (teenage mags etc.) pressure to be sexually active whilst still at high school.

Philosphy over, a few more pics?????

[barnyb]

Pedro

Great post and the comments are good too.

Just one question - which beaches are these shots taken at.

I think maybe:

Cantirrijan (one of the most spectacular beaches (both scenery and clients))
Playa del meurto

Both tend to have the younger crowd and are mixed beaches so many girls whom do not normally go topless or nude try it out.

[RamsDixon]

Interesting conversations guys, gives you things to think about. I know I've noticed a difference in the way young women dress also. That, like was mentioned before, could have been the "Brit Spears effect". But in a whole, our local community hasn't seen a change since Brit's privates went public. In fact they seem to think it's getting worse and has an effect on the High School graduation rate. Next years school dress code has been re-written to make sure young women wear "proper clothing" at all times. Seems our small community is convinced that young women wearing thongs above the jeans waist line, low cut blouses, bare midriffs.....are a huge reason just over 60% of students graduate. Instead of working on the real obvious problems our schools have.

There is a nudist club just about 2 miles away from our town. Has always been considered a black eye to the county we live in. Yet has been here longer than most businesses in the county. I personally think it would be interesting to do a study, comparing the graduation rate of the naturists kids to the textile kids in the city/county.

My family while growing up was more open to the idea of nudism then my current married life family. Being nude or naked wasn't a bad thing, it was just natural. My wife on the other hand sees the nude body as a sexual device. (Which I guess is good for me sometimes... ) But not the open minded person I thought I was marrying.

The US has always been backwards when it comes to nudity, the human body as a whole. A lot of that as I've seen in my personal life, comes from the way you are raised. Doesn't really matter where you are as my wife and I grew up just miles apart, but rather the way you are raised.

[dixler]

Originally Posted by calypsos

However, 5 years ago it was normal to see whole naturist families (including teenagers of both sexes) stripping on beaches. Recently, this has almost stopped completely. Nowadays, it is normal to see the teenagers wearing large one piece swimsuits (girls) and huge long baggy shorts (boys), whilst their parents lay naked on the beach, even beaches where nudity is 'compulsary'. If this trend continues, the tide will change here too. The cult of 'the perfect body' in all the media is actually stopping the only generation that comes close to having a 'perfect body' ( or at least the media image of it) from displaying it!

Are there many beaches in Spain where nudity is mandatory? How would something like that be enforced? By the local police. "You sir, the guy in the bushes, take off your pants now!"

As for the family naturism and the younger generation refusing to go nude, that is interesting as well. I can't imagine that any kids are sitting around applying peer pressure to their fellow classmates to not go nude at the beach when on vacation with the parents. (Also, I think it is wrong to force any kid to be naked who doesn't want to be.)

When I was in junior high school there was no shortage of girls willing to show off their new breasts. I remember sitting in the back of the bus and getting some real good looks as the girls would expose their breasts and pull their pants down to flash motorists behind the bus.

It seems really strange for societies all around the globe to be come more conservative when it comes to nudity. Conventional wisdom would indicate that the exact opposite would be occurring. Maybe the internet is causing nudity overload?

As for the Netherlands, I've read that the reason the authorities are clamping down on the red light district is because of human trafficking, crime, and forced prostitution. Even though prostitution is legal in Amsterdam, sex slaves are being shipped in from Eastern Europe and Asian and forced into prostitution by organized crime gangs.

[Klondike]

Originally Posted by dixler

Are there many beaches in Spain where nudity is mandatory? How would something like that be enforced? By the local police. "You sir, the guy in the bushes, take off your pants now!"

As for the family naturism and the younger generation refusing to go nude, that is interesting as well. I can't imagine that any kids are sitting around applying peer pressure to their fellow classmates to not go nude at the beach when on vacation with the parents. (Also, I think it is wrong to force any kid to be naked who doesn't want to be.)

When I was in junior high school there was no shortage of girls willing to show off their new breasts. I remember sitting in the back of the bus and getting some real good looks as the girls would expose their breasts and pull their pants down to flash motorists behind the bus.

It seems really strange for societies all around the globe to be come more conservative when it comes to nudity. Conventional wisdom would indicate that the exact opposite would be occurring. Maybe the internet is causing nudity overload?

As for the Netherlands, I've read that the reason the authorities are clamping down on the red light district is because of human trafficking, crime, and forced prostitution. Even though prostitution is legal in Amsterdam, sex slaves are being shipped in from Eastern Europe and Asian and forced into prostitution by organized crime gangs.

regarding mandatory nudity - there used to be "cops" on the beach at cap d'agde that did just that - tell guys in the bushes to take off their clothes.

Many would see the conservative trend to be a "correction" after 40 years of "moral decay". Conventional wisdom does not say that societies must continually evolve towards a greater acceptance of nudity. There is no historical basis for that idea. In fact really, over the long haul, the trend has been in the opposite direction.

Nudity and societal wealth have a kind of funny relationship. With wealth comes enlightenment, education and liberal values but also contempt, bigotry and Victorian morals. The two seem to be constantly struggling for dominance, and I don't think one will ever completely win out.

I'll go out on a limb and suggest the real reason for attacking Amsterdam's red light district is (as usual) - REAL ESTATE. Yeah, they always say its the crime, etc but what it always seems to comes down to is property values.

And just where are all the pics from these junior high school bus rides anyway.....?

[torretxt]

Originally Posted by Klondike

Nudity and societal wealth have a kind of funny relationship. With wealth comes enlightenment, education and liberal values but also contempt, bigotry and Victorian morals. The two seem to be constantly struggling for dominance, and I don't think one will ever completely win out.

I'll go out on a limb and suggest the real reason for attacking Amsterdam's red light district is (as usual) - REAL ESTATE. Yeah, they always say its the crime, etc but what it always seems to comes down to is property values.

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Thanks everyone for the philisophical points raised in this thread. I must admit I have never really thought about this much and your comments have given me much to think about regarding this whole topic. Somehow my inner desire to "get naked in public" and the conflict that I endure mentally seem much less depraved when framed in the context you have painted. Thanks.
Torre

[Pedro the Fisherman]

Just one question - which beaches are these shots taken at.

I think maybe:

Cantirrijan (one of the most spectacular beaches (both scenery and clients))
Playa del meurto

Good guess, yes some are there, some further afield.

As far as 'obligatory nudity', some beaches in Spain (and France) have private property and roads leading to them, if the adjoining property is (for instance) a naturist campsite, the beaches normally have signs saying that nudity is required on this beach.

Normally this is not heavily enforced, but camp security may come and ask fully clothed visitors to move along the beach or strip off. These beaches tend to used by families with young children, so are not good places to take photos, for obvious reasons. They do often give that extra element of security to nervous beginners, as the choice is pretty much made for you! I have seen a beach in Brazil where everything has to be taken off when you set foot on this private beach. You are given a key for a locker (to put valuable items in) and wear the key on a chain around your neck.

As far as pics of non-good looking young ladies, TBH, I do not normally bother to photo grannies, as that is not really my thing. I only take photos 'as and when' the time and subject is correct. It would be a total bore always trying to think about getting good photos and totally destroy the day at the beach. I suspect I will take less this year, as I am now not so willing to take risks. I earn no money for these pics, so will only take them when I think it is safe to do so. The shots you have may well be my best work, still a few more to come, but I am away for a few days so these will have to surfice until after the weekend.

Anyway, here are a few more, grab then whilst they are still hot......

[Klondike]

If I know the beach well (i.e. have been there many times), I'll download pics of it no matter who is in it - males females, fishermen, etc. I mean, I'll often download pics of the beach empty or taken in winter etc.

Then in January, I'll put them in a slide show on my computer...

I suppose if I lived in S. Spain, I could be on that beach in January instead.

Klondike

[Pedro the Fisherman]

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suppose if I lived in S. Spain, I could be on that beach in January instead.

I hate to say it, but some years, you can indeed by naked on the beach 12 months of the year, but not every year. That area has the only 'sub-tropical' climate in Europe and is seldom lower than 10C in winter and not hotter than 30C in summer. Today, in Spain we enjoyed 23C and unbroken sunshine with 28 forecast for the weekend. Shame work is taking me north for a bit! Sorry, I do not remember temps in old 'money' but 28C is 82F!!!!!

[Klondike]

Originally Posted by torretxt

Thanks everyone for the philisophical points raised in this thread. I must admit I have never really thought about this much and your comments have given me much to think about regarding this whole topic. Somehow my inner desire to "get naked in public" and the conflict that I endure mentally seem much less depraved when framed in the context you have painted. Thanks.
Torre

Thanks, Torre -

I've been trying to decide how to reply to what you wrote. There is something about the fact that you have two names, Torre and Victoria, and I couldn't help wondering if they reflected two aspects of the same person. Put in the context of the discussions in this thread (and my reference to "Victorian morals") - do you see where I am going..

Inner conflicts are often the driving force behind great acheivements. This is well recognized by psychologists, and the list of famous people that are affected by them is endless. So.....that puts you in great company.....and only increases my admiration for what you accomplished 10 months ago.

cheers,

Klondike