Wife/partner talking about other people's bodies

[Shihoin]

When my wife and I were still dating, she went on a vacation with a good friend. When she got back, she mentioned that during their stay, her friend was often naked in their room. And she added, without me asking, that her friend was completely bald, and she could see "everything." They way she described her friend's pussy was completely "matter-of -fact", like if she was describing her dress or a pimple on her nose. I was like "Ok then"...probably not realizing she was giving food for my imagination. She even added that her "big boobs" were flopping around; as if that was a "bad thing" lol!

Some time later we went on her first trip to the nude beach. After the fact, she made some remark about the various penis sizes she'd seen. Adding that I had the best looking one (certainly to humor me). I was like: wait a minute! "You've looked at ALL the dicks!?" She just gave me a surprised look, as if to say: "Duh...of course I did!"

That was just the beginning, as we became social nudists. She was looking at one well-endowed lady one time, turned to me and said: "I don't know if I'd like having tits that big..." One of our friends clearly did not do a good job shaving one day, and my wife would later make a remark about the woman's "patchy pussy hair." She knows exactly who at the resort is circumcised and who isn't, who has a micropenis and who is packing, etc... She is clearly looking at everyone's tits and dick/pussy.

There is definitely a double-standard there. God forbids I talk to her about someone's pussy; I get a raised eyebrow or a huff. But for some reason she finds it ok for her to talk about it.

Just wondering if that's just my wife or is it common for women...

[anonjohn]

From my limited experience (of conversations about clothed women), I think you have a point. There is an apparent double standard. I've asked a number of women over the years about this and the replies were along the lines of many men having leering lustful gazes and comments. Many women don't believe they leer in the same way (more of an aesthetic than crude erotic appreciation) or if they do then it's less bad because their opportunity to abuse is less.

Many women also acknowledged that women were generally far more judgemental about female dress and bodies (including their own) than men - insecurity? Women tend to worry about their looks more than men and are considered to "lose their looks" sooner than men.

Power imbalance was also mentioned as a factor. Men are generally physically more physically powerful than women so there is an obvious vulnerability from domestic violence and sexual attack by a stranger. Also economic power - traditionally women stayed at home and looked after the children, economically dependant on a man who earned the money. While other men controlled the economy/government/fashion industry/media etc.. An ugly rich man can get a beautiful woman more easily than an average looking and earning man.

I can understand economic and physical power imbalances, but I haven't worked out the difference between the "male gaze" and the "female gaze". Freud spent his life trying and failing to work out what women want, so what are my chances? It's difficult enough trying to work out what one woman thinks or wants - let alone all women!

[piecenick]

My wife tells me about the woman that works out about the same time as she does says after her workout she showers and gets ready for work. The important parts are that she has a killer body and spends a lot of time nude while she gets ready, most of the women are older and keep their nudity time at a minimum. As far as my wife would go is to take a picture of a picture of her on the bulletin board, yes, she is a smoke show. My wife says she is a natural blonde and she keeps herself and her outie vulva on display.

[Gnome72141]

I had a friend who worked at a gym for a year or so. Almost daily, she would text me who she saw (mainly her own friends) naked in the lockerroom, including lots of details.

Then she quit. She is as bummed as I am!

[Thought30]

This thread didn't go quite the way I'd hoped judging from the title but it is adjacent to *maybe* my all-time turn on/fetish which is women I'm having sex with describing their friends naked to me.

It started with the first girl I ever had sex with, during one of our sessions, out of the blue she just started talking about a friend of hers changing in front of her. She described her tits in detail and what her pussy was like...
I just couldn't believe it and basically started to cum immediately.
it seemed so dirty! Such a transgression?

I was hooked and got her to talk about several more of her girlfriends.
At first she was turned on by this too but i think my attention on these other girls and my insistence that she tell me tainted the fun for her.
We started to do it less and less and later she would VERY grudgingly do it but was unhappy to.
I'm not into the person I'm having sex with being coerced or feeling pressured so I dropped the issue.

The only other partner it's happened with (I haven't been with a ton of women or anything) is my wife with her describing her best friend who we both had the hots for.
The best sex of my life without a doubt.
(long gone now...)

So anyway, to OP, Shihoin, I say thank you for even allowing a version of my greatest perversion--one which seems to never be represented anywhere in porn or written erotica, or even people's personal experiences on message boards like this--to be discussed.

[Shihoin]

Originally Posted by anonjohn

I've asked a number of women over the years about this and the replies were along the lines of many men having leering lustful gazes and comments. Many women don't believe they leer in the same way (more of an aesthetic than crude erotic appreciation) or if they do then it's less bad because their opportunity to abuse is less.

Good point as usual, Anonjohn.

Because the "female gaze", as I see it, supposedly lacks the "lustful" characteristic attributed to men's "gaze"; women might feel it is not necessarily inappropriate. But it has elements of "assessment" and "comparison" that are not necessarily healthy either. I've talked about the large breasted woman at my resort. The first thing my wife did was assess her attractiveness: "I guess she will be popular with the men here"; then related them to her own breasts size: "I don't know if I would like having breasts that big..." and "at least I can go braless and still be comfortable..." I don't think many husbands would look at another man's penis, and have the same thoughts about it lol!

On another note; up until last year, my wife was vehemently opposed to shaving. She felt a light trim was more than enough. Then, out of the blue, she started shaving bald. That coincided with us spending a lot more time with nudist friends. Putting two and two together, I figured out that her pussy had been looked at by one of the other women (who are all bald), in a way that she felt was judgmental of her "pubic hairline." Making her self-conscious and leading to her decision to go bald. She has herself admitted to being conscious of the women in our group checking out each other's naked bodies and assessing each other's "naked esthetics."

But it's not necessarily a bad thing either. My wife keep herself in shape for nudism; not to appeal to the men folks, but rather to elicit a positive assessment from the other women. Ironically, my wife would not have gotten to her current level of comfort being naked socially without the "female gaze."

[Windsorm]

My impression is that most women are way more bothered about what other women think of them, than they are about what men think of them, even while only being attracted to men.

[twowide]

I'm at the far end of Town, so call at the In-Laws for a Cuppa. He's storming around. Then she arrives. Unknown to all, she is being Bare-Backed Down Town to take care of a Family Debt. "Did you use the Spermicide?" he bawled. "Do you prefer HIM to me?" "NO!" she responded, "I used the last in the tube ! But HE (pointing to me) is better equipped!" "Yes!" he retorted," I know!" "But I've had longer," she said "but NOT wider!"

Then it transpired that as a School Leaver she'd been Employed as a Personal Assistant to the Area manager of a National Company. She was employed to cater for his sexual urges, even taking in a record player to drown-out the cries of her Office fucking ! There are Tunes she still cannot stand ! She also had to cater for his Clients Demands in his efforts to gain Bonus Sales and Promotion. Then take Him, and his Replacement, in daily prolonged "double-penetrations"! No wonder she was desperate to Marry ! But WHO first tutored this Teenager in Sexual Matters ?

[DRDavenport]

Originally Posted by twowide

I'm at the far end of Town, so call at the In-Laws for a Cuppa. He's storming around. Then she arrives. Unknown to all, she is being Bare-Backed Down Town to take care of a Family Debt. "Did you use the Spermicide?" he bawled. "Do you prefer HIM to me?" "NO!" she responded, "I used the last in the tube ! But HE (pointing to me) is better equipped!" "Yes!" he retorted," I know!" "But I've had longer," she said "but NOT wider!"

Then it transpired that as a School Leaver she'd been Employed as a Personal Assistant to the Area manager of a National Company. She was employed to cater for his sexual urges, even taking in a record player to drown-out the cries of her Office fucking ! There are Tunes she still cannot stand ! She also had to cater for his Clients Demands in his efforts to gain Bonus Sales and Promotion. Then take Him, and his Replacement, in daily prolonged "double-penetrations"! No wonder she was desperate to Marry ! But WHO first tutored this Teenager in Sexual Matters ?

Is this AI generated porn?

[twowide]

Originally Posted by DRDavenport

Is this AI generated porn?

Sorry. Passed 11+. Then "O" Levels. That's all ! Just a moment in time memory of a quite surprising event.