Being in a Small Space, No Privacy, with Lots of People

[Gnome72141]

So, in a few weeks, we are invited to stay at a cabin with a group of friends. It is a cabin with one bedroom and a large living room, and one bathroom. There was supposed to be 6-8 of us staying there, so not a huge deal. Sort of crammed, but we would manage. I have seen pictures of the place, and the main room really is gigantic.

We found out a few days ago that there are actually a total of 25 people invited, with 18 confirmed going so far!! I talked to the "host" of the event, and she said she invited 25 people thinking maybe 10, tops, would actually go. 10 would be doable. We could stagger showers, get ready in the bathroom or one bedroom one or two at a time, etc. But with 18 or more...that is a different story!

Since I am a planner, I start thinking about logistics. I am pretty introverted and reserved, but the rest of the people are soooo reserved that I seem like a party animal compared to them (which I am not). So, I am thinking things like where is everyone going to get dressed? Is everyone going to wait in line for the shower? I saw pictures of the cabin when my friends remodeled it, and the one shower has a clear shower door, so it's not like one person can shower while others use the bathroom. Are 18 people going to form a line outside the door? And the innocent perv in me wonders how many of the 10 women are going to walk around pajamas braless at night.

My wife is freaking out. She is super conservative, plans on sleeping with a bra under her clothes, will probably get dressed in a closet somewhere, etc, and pretty much all of these particular friends would do the same. Or will they? It could take two hours for people to get ready in the morning if they took turns getting dressed in the bathroom or one bedroom, literally, not even accounting for showering. Of course I am freaking out, too, but for other reasons! And I would gladly get dressed completely in front of everyone, I don't care, but would people get upset with me and freak out (which happened once when I got dressed in front of a whopping three people once, heh)?

So, it got me thinking: who here has been in situations with a lot of people and pretty much no privacy? I don't mean people with nudist groups, etc, but with average people who would normally get dressed in front of no one but their partner, let alone a situation like I may encounter in a few weeks?

The only story I can think of doesn't even involve me. I have a friend who played for some rustic music festival a few years ago where she and the other 25 performers shared a one-room cabin thing (everyone else who attended camped. She could have, too, but she despises camping, and she didn't want to feel left out since every performer was in the cabin). Anyway, she said other than a tiny toilet stall, the cabin was just one large room. Even the showers only had a partial wall in the corner, but there were three shower heads, so more than one person showered at once.

She said she changed her clothes under her blankets for the most part, but after a few days had to shower and just gave in and showered. And, while she started showering alone, two other people eventually started to shower, too, a man and woman. She said that it was *not* one of those moments where you think "hey, this isn't so bad." To her, it *was* really bad and she hated it.

She said that she did eventually change her clothes in the open like everyone else, and no one even noticed her, but she was pretty discrete about it, whereas some of the people had no problem flaunting whatever they could. She said the only positive is that she will never see any of the people ever again, and next time she will just camp even though she hates it, if the event ever comes up again.

Anyway, since I have to be patient for a few weeks, and with my luck it will all be cancelled if people start having second thoughts, I am interested in hearing your similar stories!

[clitty]

Given the self-conscience nature of your party/group... you guys have issues to overcome. I remember when I had issues peeing in a public urinal with other guys around. After chilling, and being around nudist, seeing good lucking women sit down on a toilet and pee that were strangers - then it becomes... whatever.

Possible Solutions.
1 - I assume that YOU did the invites through FACEBOOK?
2 - The consider all "MAYBES" as out.
3 - Post an update of the space problem. Be honest... that you expect about 8~12 people to show up... not 18... so make sure those who REALLY want to go... be in the YES col.... and lets those MAYBE's be on a waiting list in case a chunk cancels out.
4 - Recommend that people bring tents... as personal Storage/changing areas.
5 - 1 bathroom with 10+ people = issues. A 4 hour party is one thing. Having people live there for a few days with night-pee, morning, lunch, dinner... But remember, us guys can pee anywhere... the outside should be a pee zone for guys. Either rent a port-a-pod or some of your friends are shitting in the woods.
6 - for getting dress... setup the bedroom as a privacy area... in which 4~6 people of the same sex will change at the same time. people use very little space to change at the gym.

Overall... with 18 people in a large room - I think it will SUCK... it'll be crowded, fighting for space to eat, use the kitchen sink, etc... sleeping and walking over people. Each person should have about an 8x8 of floor space. 64sq feet. The living room will need about 1000~1200 sq. feet to keep the place sane.

Or you're going to need to find a way to cull your party guest down to 10...

Now if your group was kinky and could sleep, cuddle - be naked, sex, orgy - then it could be easier to cram a few more together.

[camflasher1]

I do remember such an event in Oslo, an after marriage part. We were 15 people cramped in one bedroom hall kitchen. There were only three couples. Ours including. Rest all single guys. I used it to maximum opportunity. We 3 couples occupied the bedroom. Rest of the single guys were in the hall. But toilet was attached to the hall, which was a blessing. 3 girls slept on the bed. And we three husbands slept on the floor. In the morning, when I woke up, I saw all three girls sleeping without their sheets in various inviting forms.
My wife's tits were almost visible and her skirt had gone upto her thigh. So were the other girls. Also other 2 husband woke up and saw the same sight. Being morning it was a definite turn on. U know wat I mean

[nectcouple]

Originally Posted by camflasher1

I do remember such an event in Oslo, an after marriage part. We were 15 people cramped in one bedroom hall kitchen. There were only three couples. Ours including. Rest all single guys. I used it to maximum opportunity. We 3 couples occupied the bedroom. Rest of the single guys were in the hall. But toilet was attached to the hall, which was a blessing. 3 girls slept on the bed. And we three husbands slept on the floor. In the morning, when I woke up, I saw all three girls sleeping without their sheets in various inviting forms.
My wife's tits were almost visible and her skirt had gone upto her thigh. So were the other girls. Also other 2 husband woke up and saw the same sight. Being morning it was a definite turn on. U know wat I mean

Talk about getting morning wood!

[George VI]

My wife comes from a big Catholic family that grew up in a small house, and so her family was more casual in their dress around family. And since I eventually became family (this was nearly thirty years ago), I reaped some of the benefits. Not a ton of nudity, but some of my wife’s sisters regularly slept in t-shirts and panties only. My own nuclear family was modest and nobody was seen in underwear. But my cousins’ family regularly ran around their house in underwear, so it wasn’t a completely foreign concept to me.

Even in non-cramped situations, my wife’s sisters sometimes came out in the morning wearing just a t-shirt or short nightie, and panties. Quite a turn-on for me, watching them bobble around braless, their nipples protruding, the sun sometimes shining through to show the form of their breasts, their panties pulled tight over their crotch, on some occasions even a few pubic hairs peeking out. It became “normal”, and even my two brothers-in-law’s wives allowed themselves to be seen by me this way. Some of these women were single, and some were married. Only the oldest woman, who had a bunch of kids and put on a few pounds but was certainly worth looking at, but was extremely modest and conservative and seemed to have self-esteem issues, wore bras under her long nightgowns.

Then there were times when there were many, many of us sleeping in the same room – couches, sleeper sofas, sleeping bags on the floor, sleeping on the hard floor. And I might wake up in the morning to see my busty SIL Linda, who was married into the family, climb out of her sleeping bag wearing a sleeveless shirt, the sides of her big tits exposed through her shirt’s arm holes, her white cotton panties clinging to her butt as she walked away from me, her butt cheeks rising and falling with each step.

There were a few times when I was sleeping on the floor in a sleeping bag with my wife, and almost within reach was another woman. But I always kept my hands to myself, and so did they.

I wouldn’t deliberately walk around in my underwear. But there was one time when we decided to spend the night last minute in a crowded apartment, and as I had no other clothes I got up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom in just my briefs, and two of my SILs made mention of that the next morning. Another time when the house was crowded I was changing in a bedroom when my wife opened the door suddenly to retrieve something my oldest teen niece left in the room. My niece was just outside the door, and got a good long look at me in my briefs. She gave me a little embarrassed smile, but didn’t look away. I didn’t do it on purpose, but I didn’t dive under the sheets either. It was my wife’s fault for leaving the door open.

I was too busy checking out the women and trying not to get caught, to watch for who else was also checking them out. I did catch my youngest brother-in-law watching his older brother’s wife Linda’s ass when she walked down the hall in her panties. But in retrospect I wish I’d paid more attention to who else was checking the women out. As the women got older and the nephews got older I wish I’d paid more attention to see if the nephews were checking out their aunties.

Very little blatant nudity, but some. In another thread I told about my wife and I sharing an attic/loft with my SIL Kay and her husband, and twice up there Kay stripped down when I was just a few feet away – once she took off her shirt and bra and put on her nightgown when my wife and me and Kay's husband were all nearby. Another time she stripped out of her bathing suit when it was just the two of us upstairs, talking to each other, a small inadequate partition the only thing separating us.

Back at my in-law’s house, I once remember walking past the living room late when the lights were low and some people were still getting ready to sleep, and seeing Kay in her bra. But I rarely saw bras, just panties. After all, it was "sleepwear."

A few of the smaller-breasted SILs might wear a scooping nightgown out in the morning and lean over and expose their firm little titties. The larger-breasted ones just showed some braless cleavage, and displayed how firm their tits were even without a bra. This could happen in crowds, or when there were just a few of us around.

Once an older SIL Kathy was taking a shower, and I just happened to be nearby when her little kid opened the bathroom door (often the lock was broken). Kathy was standing there naked, but she slammed the door shut so fast that I couldn’t even see what she looked like naked. A shame, since she was about the only one who I never saw at least partially naked.

And there were a few times when Kay or her younger sister Kim changed in a bedroom having left the door ajar, and I spotted them stripping down to bra and panties. Interestingly I never saw them do this with big crowds outside the rooms, only when I was the only guy lurking nearby.

Once in a big crowd I was preparing some food in the kitchen, and somebody else was working behind me, and Kay needed to squeeze between us. She turned her back to me, and as she scooted by she rubbed her butt cheeks back and forth over mine a couple of times, giggling.

As the women got older this type of behavior generally stopped, although I saw Kay braless in a nightgown last year. Another interesting thing is that when all of these women’s daughters came of age (they are in their twenties now), they never paraded around that way. I even saw nieces wearing bras under their sleeping attire. It was like these girls were specifically told to cover up around others, not like what their moms used to do at that age.

Some of the sisters would double up in the bathroom, or a husband and wife would go in together, and sometimes two sisters would share a bed. But I never saw anything kinky or shocking.

This all happened over a long period of time, many years. But if there was a big crowd at a house and the weather was warm, there was a pretty good chance that I'd get a good ogle at one SIL or another. The downside is that I was almost never alone with any of them, so there were extremely few opportunities to push things further.

[clitty]

This may explain some things about the crowded family dynamics of then vs. now.

A study was done in the early 1970s in which researchers (in human behavior) put 20 strangers (men & women from age 20~30) in a room that was pitch dark for a few hours. Researchers had night-vision camera and microphones and recorded what they people did.

Its just past the 60s... so what do you think they did?
First, typical chat - they are in a room they couldn't see a thing. After a short while - they would talk about naughty things. There were touching... and feeling going on... maybe even groping. Nobody shouted "STOP!" or stopped anything from happening. That's about it. Door opens, and they left.

In the past year or so, the exact same study was done (with better cameras). What do you think happened?
First, typical chat - they are in a room they couldn't see a thing. After a short while - they would talk about sexual things. And then... nothing more... Nobody TOUCHED anyone. You would have thought in TODAYS more sexual freedom world - that they would have had oral and intercourse sex - or at least a hand job.

(In some of the parties I go to... the DARK room = lots of people having sex)

But no. Why? Researchers think the following: Because women and men have more sexual freedom, women have more rights today then the 60s and are allowed to show skin... and of course there is plenty of internet porn. That as a modern people - we have sexual outlets available. While in the "good old days" - people kept appearances and such in public, but in the dark - with anonymity and nobody to witness them being naughty - they would touch and catch a feel.

We're all still human. We are as sexual today as we were in the 70s, the 50s, the 30s, the 1880s, etc.

[ModelT-MsDollie]

My simple answer..................... It ain't gonna work!

Being nudists and exhibtionists it wouldn't bother my wife and I. However we've camped, moteled, cabined, and stayed at homes, both finished and unfinished, with various people. Most times nothing hapened.
I remember once we went to Missouri with a co worker and another trucker and their wives to help do some work on a home the best friend was building in the middle of 40 acres in the Ozarks. There was a cold clear stream down the middle, near the partially finished home. No running water, electric, or bathrooms. We made a small pool in the creek to bath. Us guys picked our favorite tree to pee. The women went farther into the woods when us men were inside.
These couples were very religeous and proper. I never ever saw skin beyond wrists, neck, and ankles on any of them, men or women, except when in the creek. So my wife and I were also prim and proper.
We had a great time and the only possible sexual activity was when all three couples played in that cold clear creek pond. No one had bathing suits and we all wore "granny type" underwear. We may have all seen hard nipples. But believe me cold spring water keeps most men under control. We had a great time.

I have many stories of group camping. Here's just one more.
Just the opposite of the first, we stayed with a group of bikers we had never met before from an internet bike site friend's 20 acres near Daytona in a roughly 14 X 50 mobile home. It had three BR and two baths. There were roughly 15 people there. Some couples, some single guys and single gals. Many slept on the living room floor.
But the owner didn't want us all using the bathrooms because of the septic system. He'd built a nice cold water shower outside on the rear deck. Closed in and private except the getting dressed part was semi private at best. The deal was only the person bathing went out on the rear deck, doing this until everyone was finished showering. The pansies used the inside tubs and showers. Oddly my wife was a pansy among those strangers!
Being bikers, there was often female skin exposed. mostly whatever they were gonna wear to town. My wife and I ended up sleeping in a large walk in closet off the owner and GF's master bedroom. Not as bad as it sounds. We had a nice air bed and the bathroom was on the other side of their room.
As the long bike week went on more skin was exposed by the ladies, and a few of the men. Probably by day three or evening three maybe, there were a few topless women. Yes my wife may have been the first and reason others did. Wine, beer, and other refreshements were flowing and my wife can't handle liquer well with clothes on.
I think my wife used the inside tub a few times but the owner was getting bossy about using the outside shower. Most of the women seemed shy. Us guys took turns outside, mostly facing a small fence and the shower wall when getting dressed. The nearby kitchen curtain was supposed to be closed.
Not sure why. My wife still shocks me. She was in the rear bedroom where we got to move when another couple had to leave. Dollie was about to sneak into the nearby bathroom and tub again. Several men, me included, began teasing her about being a baby and chicken shit. Dollie walked from the BR, thru the living room filled with mixed company, into the kitchen where mostly us men were....completely naked. She flaunted her self right in the owner friend's face and others, grabbed a small dish towel, went out and showered.
This shower was built against the mobile home and was closed in. But to get dressed without getting clothes wet you had to stand outside partially hidden. The kitchen window was near. Someone had opened the curtain. Dollie finished her shower and stood right in the open drying off. Then she returned to the kitchen to tease me, the owner, and sevearl almost too young kids. (21)
Dollie then walked slowly past everyone who had just gotten up off the living room floor from their sleeping bags, returning to the BR to dress in something skimpy.
She was the highlight of the whole week long event and we keep getting invited back!
These campouts all depend on the feelings of the others. I don't feel Dollie would be welcome to the first party!

[piecenick]

Back in the early 80's we rented a beach house with 3 other couples, we had not seen the place and we quickly learned, upon arrival, the difference between "sleeps 8" and having 4 bedrooms. Basically it was one big room with sofas and cots, the bathroom was the only room with a door, except for the enclosed outdoor shower downstairs.The ladies devised some sort of pick a straw system for deciding who had to sleep where, we got a twin folding bed and an air mattress if that was too small, it was. But we all had a good attitude and we weren't going to let the lack of sleeping accommodations ruin the trip. After all, we had an almost private beach, a huge hot tub, and most importantly, an ice maker that was large enough to service a bar. Unlimited margaritas and daiquiris.


We had all partied a lot together, but I had never even seen any of these ladies in even a bathing suit. Everyone got there turn in the bathroom to change into swimsuits, my wife and I took advantage of the shower downstairs, so we were the 1st ready to go. After a while we had a cooler full of margaritas and beer and everyone spent the afternoon at the beach getting drunk and a little sunburned.

As in most beach houses I have shared, more liquor and beer is consumed the first night and last night than any other time, this was no exception. When everyone got hungry we we back to the house for dinner, of course the drinking continued. The bathroom was a busy place with 8 people drinking, I was wondering how this was going to play out, especially in the morning. We got the hot tub filled and going and everyone, still in bathing suits got in.

I figured with all the alcohol sooner or later one of the ladies would get topless, I knew it wouldn't be my wife, she has an exhibitionist streak but only if it's 'accidental'. I had made a bet with myself if it happened, Betsy would be the icebreaker, she had the best figure and wore the skimpiest bikini. It took less time than I expected, she slumped down into bubbles and threw her top on the deck, after a lot of cheering and one by one the rest followed, my wife was last. Since all the women were teachers I said it was a PTA meeting, the Pretty Titty Association.

One by one people got tired and went in and changed into sleep wear, since there was no AC, sleepwear was brief, ladies in tees and panties, men in boxers. It took a while but eventually everyone had their bathroom time and got in the assigned bed and lights went out. I wondered if anyone would dare to try sex under these conditions, I was awake for a while, but all I heard was drunken snoring.

The next morning got interesting, as everyone woke the bathroom was busy. Betsy said she was going for a run and said 'everyone saw my goodies last night anyway' stripped off her shirt and put on her running clothes. Soon the house became a clothing optional zone, although full frontal was at first avoided, backs were turned, but the second night we all were skinny dipping in the hot tub, so that barrier fell too.

Sex was solved by couples either taking a blanket to the dark beach at night, or announcing, when everyone was at the beach, that they were going back to the house for 30 minutes of "private time". My wife opted for a late night walk on the beach, until when we got to the beach, shined a flashlight and saw a thousand sand crab eyes glowing at us. The next day was had some private time. The only public sex was on the last night, the drinking got us into a kind of truth or dare game and one husband for his cocked sucked by his wife while we had a blanket over the vital parts, very hot.

All in all it was a good experience and we all got together for a trip the next year, this time the ladies rented a much more upscale property that had actual bedrooms. I preferred the other house, except it was nice to have a comfortable bed.