Identifying AI Images

[thefergieferg1]

AI Generated Images.- Posted after consulting a moderator but please advise if OK

As we all know AI Generated Images are appearing more and more on OCC even though they are banned here.
If you are someone who does this deliberately then this post isn't for you but rather aimed at the users who are disappointed at having AI images removed when they posted them in good faith or anyone who want clues on how to spot them.

First a couple of points.

I don't claim to be an expert in AI, just giving a few pointers on things I've noticed. It's by no means fool proof and I've downloaded images for my albums only realise they were AI on closer inspection. It's probably happened more times than I realised and in truth it's pretty impossible to be sure with some of them.

This is not about AI editing software which is used to improve picture quality of existing images. It is about AI Images generated from scratch by software.
As such they are not subject to copyright law as its stands but it's still being argued over in some places.

I will not get into any discussion any Software or methodology here or in PMs, this is solely to help identify such images.
It maybe that some quirks are software specific and you may find other common features not mentioned here.

The following are Examples of AI images so here goes with a few comments on each. (NUMBERED IMAGES BELOW)

Ex1 Not bad at first glance and if I didn't know I couldn't be sure but the first thing is breast symmetry. The other thing that seems common, is a well defined clavicle. I guess this is due the modelling.

Ex2 Again breasts a bit too perfect, It's supposed to look like a model shoot but the lighting isn't that good. Looks like a single direct flash rather than multiple. (you can often see the double flash relected in the models eyes. Navel piercing looks wrong.

Ex3 The prompt here included something like "1960's woman" so the head hair is adjusted but the public hair is a modern trim. Look at the hands. AI doesn't do hands very well and they are often elongated or bony. Sometimes they are completely mangled and 6 fingers is not uncommon! Something else comes into play here, the background. The will have various backgrounds such as rooms, beach, forests etc but after looking at few pics I thought they all had a similar look. Difficult to explain but maybe sterile, bland?

Ex4 I brightened and upscaled this for a better look. You get the idea now so I'll shorten the comments. - Wonky hand, similar pubes, right nipple a bit off. Background.

Ex5 You might fall for this one if the left hand was cropped out. I'm also not sure about the nipples.

Ex6 You might just take this as a very athletic body but the hands aren't right. Off-the-shelf pubes again.

Ex7 Curvy "Real" woman except the nipples are a giveaway. Pubes don't seem to suit her and hands not great again. The beach different, but the same.

Ex8 I brightened this one and looks Ok at first glance but I'm sure what happening with the navel and that clavicle doesn't seem to match the rest of her. Background.

Ex9 Another I might pass over but they seem to want to have navel piercings but it does appear properly. There seems to be some ghosting around her nipples and again the clavicle seems wrong for her body.

Ex10 I did this one with Jeans and Tits thread in mind. Nipples, Navel and Background.

Although I've dealt with specifics it is sometimes it's just developing an instinct for when something isn't right. If you google something like " AI Nudes" and look at Images with the filter off, you will see lots AI images including a load of Celebs but the first image to catch you eye will be a real photo because it's different.

Of course another thing that makes life more difficult is the the use of phones and tablets.

Well I hope this helps along the way but I fear it's a losing battle.
Mods hope this is OK, if not feel free do do whatever.

Ferg


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[Lotfw]

What is it that makes an AI image stand out? All the things you mentioned but something else I cant quite explain.
The Lighting, shadows, eyes , skin, objectively you can look at any one of these pieces and marvel at the realness but what is it that triggers our AI sensors? Maybe subtle depth cues where the person looks implanted into a scene or the image looks 'flat' or is it something a camera just captures a bit differently. Maybe the rigidity of the eyes mostly fixed directly at the camera maybe a bit too perfectly.

Originally Posted by thefergieferg1

AI Generated Images.- Posted after consulting a moderator but please advise if OK

[thefergieferg1]

Yes indeed, and as you can probably tell from my post I was struggling to articulate what what different but you are right about the eyes.

I enjoy restoring old photos and use various software so I've played about with some of these out of curiosity even using AI software.
The strange thing is that they don't respond to enhancement very well and I found it impossible to get a good result.
Once you get over the interest in the fact that they are AI generated the reality is that from a photographic point of view they are bad photos especially by todays standards.

I find the technology interesting but concerned about OCC getting flooded with this stuff and becoming a very dull place.

"What is it that makes an AI image stand out? All the things you mentioned but something else I cant quite explain.
The Lighting, shadows, eyes , skin, objectively you can look at any one of these pieces and marvel at the realness but what is it that triggers our AI sensors? Maybe subtle depth cues where the person looks implanted into a scene or the image looks 'flat' or is it something a camera just captures a bit differently. Maybe the rigidity of the eyes mostly fixed directly at the camera maybe a bit too perfectly."

[inquisitive]

A bit off topic, but is there AI software that can read lips from muted audio in videos ? Basically I have some videos that the audio was muted, but curious if there is AI software to read lips and verbalize what was said.

[thefergieferg1]

I don't do anything with videos so can't answer your question.
I said in my original post I didn't want to discuss apps or methodology not to be unhelpful but to avoid getting bogged down in discussions on OCC that will move slower than the development of AI.

If you are interested in this software there are many blogs and discussion boards out there and it's a rapidly changing environment.

[Gee_Star]

I've played around with a lot of A.I. generators and I think I've developed an "eye" for noticing it when I see it.

Everything, thefergieferg1 mentioned is 100% true and is exactly what people who've seen a lot of A.I. will be able to pick up on instantly and I also have become concerned about it flowing into this forum, imagefap, flicker and VEF (although they were ahead of the curve and created a subforum for it)

Hands will always give it away, while they have gotten better they are still mostly mangled, have extra digits or are facing the direction. Feet are also terrible and high heel shoes almost never come out right, so many images will be cut off at the calf.

High heels have been a staple of adult entertainment, porn and erotica for generations, yet you rarely see it in A.I. So if you come across a lot of pictures with images cut off at the calf, assume it's A.I.

This might be a bit of "inside baseball" but just throwing this out there, Afro-texture is also fairly terrible in A.I., in fact it generally looks it should be in a video game from 2004


Another thing to point out is that much of the erotic or pornographic A.I. is being done on free or freemium generations. Very few of these people are using or have access to generators that can create anything that would be even remotely passable.

[Gee_Star]

Originally Posted by Gee_Star

I've played around with a lot of A.I. generators and I think I've developed an "eye" for noticing it when I see it.

Everything, thefergieferg1 mentioned is 100% true and is exactly what people who've seen a lot of A.I. will be able to pick up on instantly and I also have become concerned about it flowing into this forum, imagefap, flicker and VEF (although they were ahead of the curve and created a subforum for it)

Hands will always give it away, while they have gotten better they are still mostly mangled, have extra digits or are facing the direction. Feet are also terrible and high heel shoes almost never come out right, so many images will be cut off at the calf.

High heels have been a staple of adult entertainment, porn and erotica for generations, yet you rarely see it in A.I. So if you come across a lot of pictures with images cut off at the calf, assume it's A.I.

This might be a bit of "inside baseball" but just throwing this out there, Afro-texture is also fairly terrible in A.I., in fact it generally looks it should be in a video game from 2004


Another thing to point out is that much of the erotic or pornographic A.I. is being done on free or freemium generations. Very few of these people are using or have access to generators that can create anything that would be even remotely passable.

I was on my phone when I typed that post and there are quite a few typos that I need to correct.

*hands facing the wrong direction or hands on the wrong arm (ex. a left hand on a right arm)

*Afro-textured hair, these generators tend to make completely unrealistic Afro-textured hair, which will instantly give it away.

[slidesmoo]

Originally Posted by Gee_Star

I was on my phone when I typed that post and there are quite a few typos that I need to correct.

*hands facing the wrong direction or hands on the wrong arm (ex. a left hand on a right arm)

*Afro-textured hair, these generators tend to make completely unrealistic Afro-textured hair, which will instantly give it away.

only applies to stable diffusion, flux doesnt have this but its not trained with genitals.. once loras or new base model do its almost indistinguishable from real

[Gee_Star]

Originally Posted by slidesmoo

only applies to stable diffusion, flux doesnt have this but its not trained with genitals.. once loras or new base model do its almost indistinguishable from real

Thanks for pointing that out.

[Lotfw]

Maybe this isnt the place for this but this one stood out. What is the consensus? I didnt closely review the other pics in the post

https://forum.oneclickchicks.com/att...2&d=1726899623

Another giveaway are body proportions especially if they are trying to face match someone. This one head looks off and some other things.