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Helen and Frrio,

Oh my goodness, now it’s time for me to apologize.

I thought Frrio wrote the part about the shoe polish in the vagina or tripod marks on the floor. But on further review, I see it was Helen.

When you read my last written post, Frrio, you must have thought I had gone out of my mind.

Sorry for the mixup.

Helen, thank you for weighing in on our new Kennedy conspiracy theory. You added a great element to the story that mine was lacking – and one I could not figure out how to write in – that is a crowd of perverts to watch the spectacle.

In your writings, Helen, it is more than apparent that an extremely important element is for there to be a crowd to witness the humiliation of a one-sided CFNF fight, where – at least up until now – I have preferred a private one-on-one battle.

But, more and more, I am beginning to see the need for catfight scenarios to take place in front of several people or even large crowds. (That’s kind of hard to do, however, in small-budget videos.)

I guess the reason I have shied away from crowd scenarios is that I fear some sympathetic people in a crowd, seeing one woman begin to get embarrassed as her opponent starts to strip her, might move in to break up the fight or otherwise interfere before the loser is naked.

When it is one-on-one in a secluded place, however, the winner can spend as long as she wants humiliating her stripped foe in private.

What I like about your version of my story is that not only do you have JFK watching the battle – which, I agree, he probably would have gotten a real kick out of – you added the entire Rat Pack! That’s so cool.

I had read accounts that those guys allegedly were into many forms of debauchery, including having scantily clad starlets wrestle for them at pool parties.

Wouldn’t it have been so hot to see a young Angie Dickinson and Raquel Welch sqaure off for their sick entertainment? I can definiely picture it as really having happened that way.

Men have long been into the girl fight thing as evidenced by sexy girl boxing movies of the 1940s and titilating Bette Page lingerie wrestling movies of the 1950s.

(Again, only in recent years have some producers experimented with the CFNF endings to girl fights. Bette Page did not remove as much as one of her opponent’s shoes or stockings, let alone a bra or panties.)

Building upon that, I can remember an interview Pamela Anderson did where she said one night she got invited to the Playboy Mansion for a party called “Fight Night” and told the person who called her: “I’m not going to fight anyone for you!”

I can easily imagine Hef, with his sexually librated attitude coupled with young Hollywood hopefuls knocking down the mansion door to pose nude in his magazine, holding bikini catfight tournaments on the mansion lawn.

It’s not that far-fetched. I bet a number of gals would have participated for a chance to be next month’s centerfold.

Although I still like my version of the Jackie vs. Marilyn fight better, I also like your twist on it as well – it was fun and imaginative and logical.

I will take issue, however, with the part about Jackie not being able to ditch her Secret Service guards – at least that agency’s employees of the early 1960s. Question: Where were those diligent civil servants 15 months later when JFK’s brains were pouring out of a gaping bullet hole in his head? That would have been another bad day they had on the job.

Nevertheless, maybe sometime you and I can write a CFNF fight story together.

One of us could write the first five paragraphs, then the other the next five and alternate back and forth -- five two-to-three sentence paragraphs at a time -- by email.

We’d come up with a general overall theme. But we wouldn’t discuss beforehand what the other person would be writing so that neither one of us would know exactly where the story was heading or the outcome until the very end.

Then, if it doesn’t come out like pure crap, we could post the story on this thread of the message board. Even if it is disappointing to us, we may post it anyway because someone else might enjoy it.

It might be a lesson in frustration because even though we share the same fetish for CFNF fights, we are of the opposite sex and our tastes are a bit different so the story line might shift a lot, providing a serious challenge for both of us to keep it flowing well.

(That reminds me of a joke I heard recently by a comedian who was commenting that women and men can not possibly share the same fantasy. Such a shared fantasy, he said, would start with a knight riding up to a fair damsel on a white stallion and end with the knight spluging across the damsel’s face!)

Think about the CFNF fight story proposal and let me know if you want to give it a try.

Also, regarding the Angel vs. Jill comments, you did not need to apologize. I was trying to be funny, not preachy.
One of the perspectives that you and Frrio probably did not have regarding that match is that in numerous previous videos for Womens World, Jill stripped and humiliated a lot of her opponents.

So, in this one, she got paid back, big time. I love scenarios where the bully gets the tables turned on her and is forced to take her medicine.

Without knowing that, the ending of that fight would have been far less significant and satisfying to folks like yourselves.

Also, I might be wrong about this, but I reckon the women who work regularly for these girl fight video companies have some say as to how far they will go with nudity in these videos.

Therefore, when the script calls for them to be nude, perhaps they negotiate with the director that they will be stripped lying face down, as Jill was, so that nothing but their butts are exposed.

Other women, like veteran brunette Candy, who wins as often as she loses for Womens World, has for many years been captured on video, face up, nude and with legs spread at the end of some of her matches.

I imagine the actresses probably are offered more money for full-frontal nudity than backside nudity. What do you readers think?

Also, maybe there is a producer, director or actress who does these type of films and is a member of this message board who can shed some light on this subject. I am curious about how much the women are paid for their fetish wrestling work. I’ll bet it’s not a whole lot – nudity or not.

One last note about Angel vs. Jill, Angel Riptide is a professionally trained wrestler who made only, I believe, two videos for Women’s World, winning both of her encounters and stripping both of her opponents. (I guess she needed to do fetish wrestling to pay the rent.)

The match with Jill is several years old. I understand Jill has retired from fetish wrestling films simply because she got too old to do them.

Angel has since gone on to star in several major pro wrestling promotions and win women’s world championships. At last check she still was performing on pro wrestling cards on the indendent circuit and for all-female pro wrestling promotions.

I kind of wonder if she cringes when some fans bring up the CFNF wrestling work she did for Womens World several years ago.

Along those lines, one of the owners of Women’s World once told me that one of the girl wrestlers who frequently worked for his company was recognized at an airport and was approached by several of her fans seeking autographs.

The problem was, he said, the woman was with members of her family, who was shocked to learn from what the fans were saying to their loved one that their little girl was making adult-oriented videos to support herself! Talk about your 15 minutes of fame. LOL!

P.S. Helen, who would you put your money on in this fight? I'll tell you about this Womens World video later: