[Cigar4u]

Those are great pics. And, yes, you are right, Helen, the Japanese have been making films for quite some time involving strip fighting, where one woman is either brutally attacked by a gang of women or loses a one-on-one strip match vs. another woman then is ****d by a group of men.

(Both women, in effect agree to those terms beforehand, so I don’t think a crime is being videotaped. In fact, I reckon that if one of the girls is really horny and loves the fantasy of being gang ****d, she probably intentionally loses her clothes and the fight.)

Those type of films are not quite my cup of tea because in most of them, all of the women at some point end up nude or semi-nude. So really, it turns into a nude vs. nude match – the same stuff the industry has been offering for years. There’s plenty of that out there.

In the one-on-one strip matches I have seen, both women lose most of their clothing. While the loser winds up nude, the winner also winds up near-nude. And the fights are pretty much even, not one-sided, until the end. They really don’t fit the spirit of one-sided CFNF ENF fighting.

Although some of your still photos depict what appears to be CFNF fighting by capturing a moment in time, in the end these films tend to turn out to be simply semi-nude vs. nude **** videos. To some that’s fantastic. Me, not so much.

Nevertheless, thanks for posting those photos. You are really helping to keep this thread alive Helen with those type of photos which definitely depict ENF scenarios that are on subject with this message board.
As for your previous post of criterior for a CFNF match, I agree with your observations, except the first point and part of the third one.

In the first point you say the two women have to be good looking and sexy.

While that is definitly one great scenario, I can see this fantasy working with a number of other scenarios that don’t always involve women with supermodel/actress good looks. Here are a few for you to consider:

 A gorgeous, snooty 18-year-old popular girl picks on a Plain Jane-type schoolmate who, after taking more verbal abuse than anyone is expected to endure, beats and strips the Barbie doll cheerleader in an empty classroom after school. The plain girl, dressed in a schoolgirl uniform – white longsleve shirt and plaid skirt and saddle shoes and kneehigh white socks -- marches her nude and barefoot foe to the crowded boys’ locker room after football practice and tosses the curvy teen in to meet her fate.

 A man’s tall, gorgeous athletic mistress goes to the home of her rival and finds the frumpy but young housewife wearing only a robe and slippers with curlers in her hair. The homewrecker, dressed in a pullover shirt, hip-hugging jeans and cowboy boots, tells the housewife she is stealing her man and there is nothing she can do about it. Enraged, the not-so-attractive housewife attacks but soon is left only in her ugly curlers. The fully clothed mistress then chases the naked woman through her large house. The housewife is screaming, her sagging boobs bouncing wildly, as she gets to a bathroom and locks herself in. She cowers in the corner near the toilet as the mistress picks the lock and gets in. The mistress repeatedly dunks the wife’s head, now void of most of the curlers, into the toilet and flushes. The mistress grabs the housewife by her thick, untrimmed pubic bush and drags the naked, screaming gal to her car as neighbors look on in shock. The mistress drives her beaten and begging rival to the busiest intersection of the city then kicks her out to run starkers in the streets. The triumphant tart then drives to the husband’s place of work to proudly boast of her victory.

 An aging and somewhat hardened housewife dons a conservative one-piece swimsuit and goes to the pool at her apartment complex to find, among a large crowd of people, her husband putting suntan lotion on a gorgeous babe in a skimpy thong bikini. The housewife argues with her husband for flirting with a hussy until the pretty blond tells her to leave the guy alone – he wasn’t doing anything wrong. The salt-and-pepper-haired 50-year-old housewife tells the woman half her age to stay out of this. The blond tells her to go f herself. A one-sided fight follows as the housewife beats, strips and spanks the hot girl’s bare ass as the adult crowd wildly encourages her on. After blistring the gal’s butt, the victorious woman tosses her into the pool and the chlorine stings her seriously reddened behind. The housewife then “helps” the nude young woman out of the pool, lifting her by her big bubblegum-pink nipples, then drags her back to her apartment to punish her private parts in private.

Besides those scenarios, I also love inter-racial encounters of the CFNF kind. My favorite is a black woman – attractive or unattractive – in a white bikini taking on a drop-dead gorgeous blond in a black bikini. Both are barefooted.

To make what would be a long and totally erotic story short, the black girl winds up dancing in her white bikini, holding the white gal’s tattered black swimsuit/trophy above her head as the naked, beaten blond lies moaning in defeat beneath her ebony conquerer. The blond is then ordered to kiss the pinkish soles of her opponent’s rather large feet and admit that blacks are superior to whites.

In all of my black vs. white fantasies, the dark-skinned girl emerges victorious every time. I’m a white male, but that’s just how I like those type of matches to end.

In your third point, Helen, you say the crowd should be mostly the winner’s friends, yet you say the loser should be humiliated in front of people she knows.

I agree with the second part of that. But I think it is far more erotic if the crowd is evenly divided or has more of the loser’s friends and family in it.

That way, the loser is even more humiliated when she realizes that nearly everyone she knows or everyone who is important to her sees her at her absolute humiliatingly worst.

One point you did not touch upon – and one that is a pet peeve of mine – is that the matches should NOT end with the two combatants becoming “real good friends” – that is a lesbian encounter.

Although I have nothing against the lesbian lifestyle, I don’t want my CFNF wrestling fantasy – or any fight video, for that matter -- to end with both gals tongue-kissing. Yet, some (obviously male) producers of these type of films end their matches with a lovely girl-on-girl sixty-nine.

If I wanted to buy a lesbian video, I’d buy a lesbian video. Period.

And while I agree there sometimes is a fine line between love and hate, I think a good catfight – especially a one-sided match with a clear-cut clothed winner and naked loser – does not need to end with a make up/ makeout scene.

I can’t imagine two women who really hate each other – remember, that’s the premise for the catfight -- falling in love as they torture each other’s most sensitive parts. It doesn’t make sense unless, of course. the wrestling match was just a foreplay vehicle to get to the lovemaking.

(For example, Helen, do you see any circumstances where your Helen and Luisa characters would put their hatred aside to share a moment of sweet lovemaking? I don’t think so because their rivalry is too strong for either of them to even think tender thoughts of one another, that is unless you consider Luisa brutally r**ing Helen as a tender Hallmark moment. Even in situations where you could have had a dominant Luisa make love to a subserviant Helen you instead wrote about Luisa taking that golden opportunity to pluck out all of Helen’s pubic hairs. As a reader, I have to admit that was much more satisfying to me than a kiss.)

I can however, picture a victorious woman, to further humiliate her naked opponent, ass-r**ing her victim with a strapon – the trademark ending to all of the Ultimate Surrender video company’s nude vs. nude wrestling videos. Using sex as a weapon of degradation works in these type of scenarios.

Again, while it works for some when two women square off as enemies then for no clear-cut reason end up as gentle, caring lovers, it is not what the one-sided CFNF wrestling genre – or FF wrestling videos in general – is all about.

(NOTE: I apologize to the administrators of this board. I did not know that using the word r*** was not permitted when talking about that form of assault. I am sorry if I offended anyone with the two forms of the word late in my posting that got by and have since edited this story to self-censor the word.)