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Old 06-12-2017, 05:31 PM
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I'm a rider, organiser and photographer at the naked bike rides. I'd like to have a genuine discussion about photography and the ride. I realise that this thread is primarily about photos, but I'd like to make this one comment here. Then I suggest we move discussion over to another thread.

As I photographer, I get that the law in the UK allows photography in a public space. It also says that it's illegal to harass somebody - my understanding is that taking multiple photos without permission could constitute harassment. But it's not legality I'm really appealing to, but respecting the riders.

Every rider knows they are going to get photographed - that's really not the problem. It's great fun to ride naked down a busy street and see the people watching smile, then reach for their phone to take a quick snap. What's not so fun is the wall of photographers leaving somewhere like the Brighton ride start. Then seeing the photographers run over the park to take yet more photos. It feels like a line has definitely been crossed - and it makes many riders uncomfortable and angry. Especially the young women who are most likely to be targeted by photographers.

Ultimately, I believe excessive photography will kill the rides. That's not what any of us want, so let's make photography and discussion more respectful. Cataloguing women is just creepy, there are so many posts "she rode in Bristol 2015, then Brighton 2016 and 2017". I'm friends with several of the "forum favourites" and I know they are sickened by this behaviour.



Agreed fdooby, there's nothing dubious about the photos you load onto flickr - in fact, they are definitely some of the best ride photos out there But why do you feel the need to come and post them here?

I reckon probably spoke with more riders than you - many of them are very annoyed by the obsessive photographers. And I assure you the fun party atmosphere of the riders is undermined by excessive photography. Cuts both ways, doesn't it? But yet the riders could have fun and make their point without so many photos - the photographers are dependent on the riders for their fun.



It's a good question though - why do you take pictures? You seem to be quick to come and post them here - ask yourself what type of forum this is.



I'm sure you're right Pedro. You know as well as anybody the joy of being around naked young women. We should do all we can to encourage people to feel comfortable to join in on a ride or at a beach in the future.



Yes, stronger measures were in place at Brighton. This is going to be a trend. Well known photographers who lack respect have been excluded from rides this year.



Yes, definitely a strong anti-photographer vibe. I have to say I didn't take many photos this year. But I'd prefer the ride continue and get bigger, over taking photos. I think it will get less and less friendly towards photographers, if the current behaviour of photographers continues as is.

There was a big cheer when the police did remove the photographer though!

Some of us have a genuine interest in the female form. You would be quick to describe such individuals as perverts or "pornographers".

I can completely understand participants being concerned about their pictures being posted on the internet but I also think they need to consider what they are doing participating in a public nude bike ride in the first place?

We are coming to a crossroads in the Western world where progressive liberal values are being challenged and I for one believe the foundations of these liberal values are extremely shallow and interchangeable. I think that if people genuinely want to claim they are uncomfortable with the concept of their pictures being taken at an event where they have chosen to go nude in public, they should challenge their own value system in the first place and try understand what they are doing participating in the first place? What are they truly standing for?

Is there a specific set of value systems they are standing or is it just part of the hedonstic decline of western values?

Sorry I'm turning this into a philosophical discussion 🙂
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