next up we have the Exhibitionist and Voyeur forum
As I stated in my previous post, I am mainly advocating removing the word "voyeur" from the title here and substituting it with something containing the word "public". The reasons will become clearer below:
1)
Content - what types of pics should go in the E&V forum? Well, most threads in E&V contain one or more of the following elements: "exhibitionism", "public nudity", "social nudity (including naturism)", and "beaches". The element I want to exclude or am unconcerned with it the "voyeur" element which is presently there in the form of spy type pics, NN candids and by some's definition "voyeur beach" pics which I prefer to call "candid beach" pics to avoid confusion with other "voyeur" type pics. The key word in dealing with the voyeur element here is "voluntary". If you are voluntarily practicing social or public nudity, pics of you caught unaware are not "voyeur" pics but candid pics, IMHO. They are thus acceptable for inclusion in this forum. Otherwise, you are
involuntarily naked in front of others, have no intention of being seen or photographed, and thus it is a pic for the UPs and DB forum.
a)
exhibitionism - In its purest form this is public nudity or exposure of the private parts for an audience for the purpose of gratifying oneself sexually or for the sexual gratification of that audience. Pics of crowd streakers and NAP strippers are among the most exhibitionist of public nudity pics. Otherwise, exhibitionism often intergrades seamlessly with other public nudity pics - you really can't tell half the time what you've got. Now almost all exhibitionism is also public nudity, but there is a grey area. For example, if you have a pic of a lap dance given to a guy at a private batchelor party, its exhibitionism but arguably not really public. Thats OK. Also, all flashing and mooning type pics are exhibitionist in nature and even if no one else is visible in the pics or they look like they were taken in private, I'd put them here.
b)
public nudity - this term is pretty self explanatory with the only problem being defining exactly what you mean by nudity and what you mean by public! OK, so you can have semi nudity and semi public, in other words. I am no lawyer! Use your best judgement. But non nudes go in another forum, and the semi public or private issue gets automatically taken care of by the next element, "social nudity". Also, public does not mean "outdoors" of course - and vice versa. But again, you're off the hook anyway as long as you have social nudity. Public nudity includes festivals, protests, performances, stage shows, campus events, bikes and runs, street carnivals and parades, charity events, club nudity, fetish stuff, body paint, strip clubs, adult expos, events with hired naked models, flashing events, etc - thats just a partial list.
c)
social nudity - this covers everything "public nudity" doesn't cover when it comes to being voluntarily naked in front of others. therefore, you needn't worry if your pics aren't really truly "public" pics. Social nudity covers everything from naturism practiced at a private naturist club to CMNF pics, private party pics that get a little crazy etc. Even potentially to "naturist theme" pics i.e pics of people "living in the nude" (cooking, cleaning, etc naked).
This element also covers a large category of pic which I used to call "community am" or webshots type pics - seeing as how most seemed to come from webshots. Often these pics just show a bunch of friends hanging around and one happens to be exposed. There may be ENF or defrocking or other stuff etc in which case it could arguably go in another forum. Otherwise, its just social nudity. Take strip poker for example - without ENF, it should (and currently does
even with ENF) go here.
d)
beaches - I throw beaches in here because it is such a popular category of pic, but really, its covered under the broader umbrella of "public nudity" and I only mention it because a lot of people see nude beach pics as being voyeur pics. Well, one can argue that I suppose, but beach pics range from casual skinny dip type pics which are arguably more private than public, to pics on beaches that are so public you can see boobs while driving by in your car. Anyway, all of this is "social nudity" i.e voluntary nudity in front of others, and hence all go in this forum whether or not they are of the sneaky "girls caught unaware" variety or posed vacation type snaps.
e)
naturism - again, covered by "social nudity", but I'll just point out the different types of naturism because some are pretty solitary and private. But all go here. Among naturist type pics are organized club naturist pics and what I call "personal naturism" type pics i.e. pics of you and your girlfriend naked on a camping trip in the wilderness. In its extreme, you could snap a pic of said girlfriend in her tent and I'd be Ok with the pic going in this forum. Its not a social nudity pic if no one else is visible, but hey - the intent is there and you are essentially practicing personal naturism.
f)
public nudity with ENF - a lot of PN can be accompanied with ENF and I'd consider putting it in the ENF forum. Initiation pics are a great example. A lot of initiation stuff is semi private and coerced perhaps and great ENF material even though it passes all the tests for this forum also. Like I said in the previous post, ENF tends to supersede everything else though, and ENF lovers would hate to miss a great ENF pic that got put in E&V only.
g)
posed girls outdoors - this is a grey area for me. I guess it gets back to what I said about personal naturism. What about posed bikini pics? There is a thread for that in E&V now. OK, let 'em go here, but be discrete. I mean, this is really not the forum for simple outdoor pics of naked girls. Its neither public nudity nor naturism (unless they are doing something to lead me to believe they have no problem practicing either)
h)
multiple babe and group shots - popularized by Osreb
Arguably social nudity. Any group naked pics (posed or unaware), whether MF, FF, FFFF, etc have a long history of going in E&V and I have no desire to change that...
i)
NIP - as long as they are not pro, put 'em here as always. Its public. Its often exhibitionist. No problem. I mean, even if you know the girl would scream and run if a stranger happened by (in which case it is involuntary nudity in front of others except you the cameraman), they go here. Good for her - she is making a go at it
J)
sexy athletes type threads - OK, now this is NN and candid and I would probably prefer this type of pic to go in UPs and DPs.
k)
other candid ams. The way the E&V subtitle reads now, "girls caught unaware" would open the door for all candid pics taken of amateur girls, whether in public or private. But most amateur candids are of girls fully aware that their pic is being taken. They only
look unaware....(
Hey honey - just pretend I'm not here, OK??)
. So, put 'em in sexy ams
unless we have an outdoor, naturist type theme perhaps...(i.e. sports girls - naked surfing, diving, roller blading, bungee, bike riding, etc).
2) OK, now as for a title for the E&V forum:
try these:
Exhibitionism and public nudity
Public nudity, exhibitionism and naturism
etc, etc I don't care that much as long as the term "voyeur" is removed.
what have i forgotten? Anyway, as you can see, I'm not putting all of this up here because I see a need for a radical reorganization of material. Things are pretty much the way they've always been. So I'm just trying to clear up the grey areas and make sure I get across what I really mean by "voyeur" as that continues to be my main issue with the way things are at present. Hope I've made things clear enough.....
Klondike