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Originally Posted by showoffzzzz
That being said, it would be fun to see what you think the free photo section should look like. Currently the structure is as follows:
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As a matter of fact!! 
I thought a lot about this while I was on vacation. So, here goes:
OK, now I am only concerned with UPs and DBs vs E&V - that is where my issue is and the solution is pretty straight forward and simple. We are not talking about a major reshuffle/reorganization, 12 new categories, etc. I also wondered if perhaps this could be put as a poll question to members. Eviltwin has already voiced some support here.
So if this were a poll question, it might be worded like this: "Do you agree or disagree that....
"Klondike is somewhat unhappy with the way that pics are distributed among the UPs and DBs forum the E&V forum, and with the titles and subtitles attached to each. The main issue is this: KLondike sees UPs and DBs as being for "voyeur" pics, and yet the word "voyeur" does not appear in the title of that forum. It appears instead in the title of the E&V forum. So Klondike, who makes a big distinction between what he calls "true voyeur" pics (girls
totally unaware of
either being seen or photographed i.e
involuntarily naked in front of others) and so called "voyeur beach" pics and other candid public nudity candids where girls are
voluntarily naked in front of others and only may object to being photographed. This latter type of pic he prefers to call "public nudity candids", not "voyeur" pics. So his "dream" come true would be to have OCC organized like the pics in his private collection, and that means putting all "true" voyeur pics together along with non nudes (closely associated) and accidental nudity (no ENF). Meanwhile, the E&V forum is reserved for exhibitionist and public nudity pics (voluntarily nude in public posed or unposed), naturism, CMNF, social nudity, etc."
So, now lets look at each forum in more detail:
first, UPs and DBs. What kinds of pics do we want there, and what should we name the forum?
1)
content - IMHO three main types of pics should go here:
a)
"True" voyeur pics - peaks and spy shots. this refers to the classic, 5-I's, sneaky, sometimes illegal pics that form the core of what I have always relegated to my "voyeur" collection. Just to clear up any possible misunderstanding, I
love a great voyeur pic! I don't consider them inferior to other types of pics nor content that needs to be banished from the E&V forum. "True" voyeur pics fall into two categories -
"peaks" and
"spy shots". Peaks are upskirts, DBs, side blouses, up blouses, down backs, etc where the girl is generally clothed but "showing more than she intended". They can be public or private. These tend to intergrade with "slips" (see below re:accidental nudity). "Spy shots" are the sneaky, peephole, "Spying on the wife in the shower" type pics that include window voyeur shots, backyards neighbors, GF seen through an open door in the bedroom, sleeping gals, toilet peep shots (non explicit) etc - all qualify if the girl is truly involuntarily naked for others and in a private place. In other words, she is not consenting to
anyone viewing or taking a pic of her nudity. Incidently, I would tend to put all pee pics here (non explicit) even if the girl is in public as long as there is no ENF. Occasionally, girls will pee outdoors while clearly in the presence of others not peeing (voluntary nudity) but this is rare. And now if you happen across any other girl
in public and naked and with
no one else around i.e her nudity is not for
anyone's eyes it could go here but how often does that happen??? A dare? midnight streak? Thats one of those situations that falls in the cracks and is not really a voyeur pic IMHO. Consider yourself a lucky guy, not a voyeur. And I know not all spy shots are premeditated, peeing Tom type pics - sometimes you just get lucky there also. But so its a public/private type thing and I guess I'm saying if its public, put it in E&V unless its pee.
b)
Non nudes - because peaks are generally non nudes I can also see putting other non nude candids in UPs and DBs. This is mainly because I think the audience for this type of pic is very similar. Other non nudes include pokies, see thru, camel toes, thongs, bikinis, sexy butts and cleavage, sexy clothes, pantylines, whale tails, and street candids in general. Sometimes I refer to these as "non nudes/sexy". They are almost always candids i.e taken without the girls knowledge, but because the girl is not nude and might be dressed in a sexy manner in order to attract attention, these are not "true" voyeur pics. There is some grey area here with true voyeur pics and accidental nudity though (i.e. a "see thru" or pokie pic might be involuntary nudity if the girl accidentally got her shirt wet).
c)
accidental nudity - To me, we have two categories of pics here - slips (nipslips, pussyslips, etc) and oops (major accidents or malfunctions), and due to the frequent presence of ENF here, pics tend to get divided between two forums. Oops are more likely to contain ENF and thus more likely to be found in that forum. Anyway, accidental nudity pics are not "true" voyeur pics but a close cousin. They do not depend on a sneaky/resourceful guy to take the pic. Instead, the nudity just happens and the act of photographing it is not premeditated. But the girls are still involuntarily exposed and so I would definitely put these in UPs and DBs
unless there is ENF! And thats a
big "unless!" ENF tends to supersede everything else, meaning no matter what type of pic you have - public nudity, initiation, accidental, party pic etc if there is ENF, it probably ought to go in the ENF forum, especially if it is a really great ENF. Anyway, oops pics fall under many subcategories like wardrobe malfunctions, rough play, wind and water, kid and animal capers (coppertone girl) etc. This intergrades with defrocking pics which, if they are accidental, also belong here. Sometimes though it can be hard to tell.
Non accidental defrocking and other forced nudity though is so often accompanied by ENF that the ENF forum is really the best place for all of these. So, only if its
clearly an accident, not forced, and there is
no ENF, put it in UPs and DBs. Most slips will likely go here, but only some oops pic will. Therefore, it is hard to say up front,
in the title, that this is
the forum for accidental nudity. Slips yes, but
all accidental nudity pics - no because of the ENF factor.
2)
OK, so what name can we give to this forum?. For me, a first requirement would be to include the word "voyeur". After that, its hard to say. Some suggestions for names, but I could go with any one of these:
Voyeur - peaks and slips, NN/sexy shots
Voyeur and NN/sexy candids
Voyeur: upskirts, downblouses, slips, etc and NN/sexy
Voyeur peaks and slips, NN candids
or your choice...
in the next post I will talk about the E&V forum
Klondike