Request: Advice on Producing ENF Videos
 

Years of trawling the internet in search of quality ENF videos have left me somewhat frustrated. My addiction to ENF started with strip poker and has grown from there. I've found plenty of great stuff over the years, sure, but if I'm honest I have to admit that I've yet to find a strip poker video that truly satisfies me.

Like many here, I have a particular style of that I like. Nothing terribly unique. Here it is, in a strip poker context:

1. A young woman loses and has to reluctantly strip or be stripped in front of a room full of people
2. Preferably, the woman is friends with the other people in the room
3. Even better, the woman's boyfriend is present and has to watch as others see her naked body for the first time
4. The woman is shy, blushes while stripping/being stripped, maybe even shakes nervously as it happens
5. People comment (positively) on her naked body, but in a way that furthers her embarrassment/modesty
6. She is left naked for a period of time, has to perform certain tasks in front of the others
7. No one else is at risk for losing their clothes, once she's naked

Lately, I've been thinking about making a video myself. Given the state of today's economy, the high cost of college, and the tendency for college-age kids to want to experiment with their sexuality, I'm wondering if it might be possible to recruit a group of college kids (preferably four friends, mixed guys and girls) for a video shoot. I'd start with strip poker, renting out a hotel room, and filming a couple of games.

Interested in getting advice from anyone on this forum about the viability of such an endeavor, suggestions on how to recruit/screen talent, what to pay them, legality, etc. Ultimately, I envision creating a series of videos for a web site or even DVD sales. In the spirit of being genuine, generating interest from couples (not just men), and expanding my audience, I'd create a game in which all players regardless of sex are at risk for losing. Means I'd end up with some videos that don't fit my tastes, but that's ok too.

And strip poker is just the beginning of it. I've got a whole list of ideas for stripping games involving real amateur friends/couples, some of which I feel are unique enough to merit some interest/excitement. For the record, I also have some (limited) videography and script writing experience.

Here are my strip poker rules. Comments on these are also welcome.

Strip Down:
• 4 players (2 male, 2 female)

• 5-card draw or straight (tbd)

• 5 articles of clothing (removed in this order):
o shoes and socks
o shirt or blouse
o pants or skirt
o bra or undershirt
o panties or briefs/boxers

• Low hand forfeits an article of clothing

• High hand is given the option to:
o remove low hand’s article of clothing
o select another player to remove low hand’s article of clothing
o direct low hand to remove her/his own article of clothing

• When an article of clothing is removed, the loser must stand up
o shoes/socks are the only exception

• Every player has the option to fold once per game
o when a player folds, that player is assumed to have had the lowest hand—no one forfeits any clothes for that hand

• Play continues as above until one person is completely naked

Dress Up:
• Once a person is naked, they stay naked until they win 3 hands (winning hands do not have to be consecutive)
o after winning 3 hands, the loser stands up and gets completely dressed in front of the group—this ends the game

• During the dress-up round, other players win back their articles of clothing as follow:
o 2 hands = bra/undershirt
o 1 hand for each article of clothing after that (pants/skirt, shirt/blouse, shoes and socks)

• If the naked player is ever the low hand during the dress-up round, he/she draws from a deck of face cards and is required to complete the task assigned to the drawn card:
o 10 = 1 minute of jumping jacks or running in place (high hand’s choice)
o Jack = masturbate in front of the group for 1 minute
o Queen = perform a split or spread your legs for 1 minute
o King = allow high hand to grope you for 1 minute (high hand has the option to assign task to another player)
o Ace = allow high hand to jerk you off for 1 minute (high hand has the option to assign task to another player)

Thanks for commenting. Sorry for the lengthy post!

I reckon it's gonna be easier to set up a friendly game with the help of a lot of booze and some guy friends who are strategic a little. See the TV show ''Undeclared'' for an episode where the guy set up a strategy to play, it's far fetched but I used more credible variations in my life and have had major success. Never did could shoot a video tho

Anyway I'd go for the amateur unpaid way if you want the real ''shy'' feel because the girl who'll accept your current offer won't be shy for shit.

Also, please post any findings you have as your description of the perfect video is exactly mine also

One route you might consider is having a custom video made. There are many models you can find on the internet who will do custom videos. They are expensive compared to a stock video, of course, but they can be a good value if you find that the stock videos available are never quite what you are looking for. You can buy 10 stock videos that have a minute or two that really pushes your buttons or you can buy one custom video that is exactly to your specifications all the way through.

To do a full scene as you described with several people in the scene may be prohibitively expensive as a custom video, since the costs are going to jump up the more "actors" that have to be paid. But if you were able to "suspend disbelief" and would be content to have a video that focused on just one model who played the scene and pretended to be playing strip poker with a group of "imaginary" people who are off camera I am sure you could find a number of models who could do that. You could have the model wear any kind of outfit you liked and direct her reactions the way you wanted them. But if you wanted a more "realistic" scene that had a number of people in it that you could see all interacting with each other - that might cost more than you want to pay. You might want to do a bit of searching on the internet for models who do custom videos and just send a few emails inquiring about what you are interested in and seeing what the costs would be.

Interesting Conversation
 

Could you do a variation on the above using amateurs, but offer to pay the winners? Maybe everybody gets a fee, but the winners get bigger bucks. Might have to run the drill a few times (play several games) to get the results you're looking for ... but I'm thinking you'd have a BIG seller on your hands, if that's your bag.

Then again, I probably just described Dare Ring, didn't I. Well, at least we know the model works, yes? And there's always room in the market for a second good competitor.

I've always liked the idea of having two couples play against each other. They're teammates, but everybody strips individually.

Have fun. And thanks for kicking this off. Should be a fun discussion.

Nobus

Sounds great, Royal B. It's definitely hard to find a real video of amateur strip poker. Most of the stuff out there is either from Non-American TV shows or some setup to a porno.

You came to the right forum to get suggestions and advice. I would suggest contacting Red or Crosis ( both on this forum or you can find them at: http://blog.lostbets.com/ ) Red started it and it seems pretty successful....they could maybe give you some tips.

Thanks all for the feedback. Nobus, I love the idea of paying the winners. Been thinking about it and it might make a nice incentive. I'm thinking about writing an ad for Craig's List soliciting 4 friends (couples) from local colleges. Need to do some research into best ways to get the word out on campuses. Hear you Indra on the custom vid thing but I just don't think it's gonna float my boat. I'm determined to find a way to make this work by getting real folks, somehow. Even if I need to start with exhibitionists and try to get them to act shy and reluctant. We'll see.

I'll keep the board posted as things progress.

ENF Video
 

You mentioned that you have some videography and script writing experience. So to me, it sounds like you are definitely going for something creative here, and structured.

I would suggest working with models. Actresses would be ideal, but it will be difficult to find girls who are "career" minded who would do this sort of material. But there are lots of up and coming models who would like to branch out into acting. These would be a good choice.

If you can find enough amateur and real-life college kids, then by all means go for it. But don't underestimate the reluctance a normal young woman will have to taking off her clothes for a stranger, for video distribution. Even if they are paid. Keep in mind, I am based in New York, it may be different where you are.

As always, I am a fan of all good ENF content, so I wish you the best of luck with this and subsequent projects!

Seems like Craig's would be a perfect place to start, esp. in a college town.

"Seeking 2 open minded, fun couples to star in a strip card game video. Unrehearsed, spontaneous production. Winners will be paid ($$), losers will pay (with their clothes!). Not porn, no sex, just sexy fun."

:D

the ad sounds perfect but it's missing one word. "Giggity!"

why not make it a video for sale
 

I think you should make the video and sell it, you could charge only enough to clear costs and get what you want as many times as you want it and not lose any money, you would have to pay the models first and then get your money back when you sell them, you could make money if you like but the videos would go faster if you just sell them low and break even sucess would come quick people would buy them up real fast at low prices and then your set a large library of strip poker vids made your way.

Make it simple the the players to drink and have fun while you run video, it would not even matter if the viewers knew the player were being payed and filmed because in the end they are just playing a game of strip poker.

I'd for sure buy something like that. Real amateur strip poker videos are hard to come by. I would say instead of messing with sending DVDs out (like some people still do) just throw it up on a website for download like clips4sale. I think the going rate is a dollar per minute for a clip. 30 minutes 30 bucks, simple and easy.

Probably true enough, about the guys. I'm thinking a cash incentive for the guys might help them persuade their ladies to join the experiment.

I agree, makes sense to pay both winners and losers. Everybody gets an appearance fee - but the winners get a bonus. Makes it a little more pro than amateur, strictly speaking, but might help recruitment. It'd be fun to do it more as a game show type thing. Then again, strip game shows are another topic, aren't they. :D

Anybody thinking about actually doing this? I've been tempted to throw that ad on Craigslist and just see what happens.

Firstly, its a great idea.

Secondly , it IS affordable!

I've done a few photoshoots myself, although nothing on a theme. All but one of the models I used had some modelling experience- ie semi-pros, although really just amateurs doing it for extra cash.

I'll take you through my experiences.

Hiring

Firstly, there ARE people who would be happy to pose for this, if you approach people on adult modelling style forums. Suggest the idea, agree a fee and away you go. However, some might request more money for a video shoot.

Secondly, you could post an advert in a free college paper , online board etc. Darering used this method, although they did suffer with a high drop out rate- check out the boards for more information.

Thirdly, you could try recruiting people directly- e mailing people through online portfolio sites etc. Expect lots of "nos" and even some abuse, but it is potentially very rewarding.

Performing

The main issue here- not all models will be able to "live your dream." Some simply won't understand the concept, others might struggle to "act natural" especially on video.

There is a massive Catch 22- the whole point of strip poker is that losing clothes is a forfeit- something a player does not want to do. Models hired for a nude shoot, by definition, are comfortable being nude.

Basically, the challenge here will be finding good, convincing actresses.

Legal etc

I'd suggest you make it clear that you are paying people to model/act. If you market this as being paid to play strip poker they might be issues.

The money you pay to a model is income, and she should declare it as such for tax purposes. Just check that the models are aware of this- in the UK models are typically self employed.

Profit!

You can sell your footage very easily, there are lots of site that let people upload footage to be sold (they charge a commission.)



But yeah- my suggestion would be to start small. Get a cheap, but decent video camera, and just hire two models, and have them pose-play strip poker. Get a feel for what the shoot involves- and get references. Build a reputation as a "legit" film maker, and work from there!

Here are a couple of things I think is important for a great ENF movie. I've always wanted to produce one of these, and in fact have a really good script I'm hoping to eventually turn into one.

Quality. Make sure you use good equipment. Most of the stuff out there looks amateurish. Set yourself apart by using professional cameras, lighting, and editing.

Performance. ENF is mostly based around the psychological concept where a woman is exposed or seen involuntarily. The actors need to get into character and make sure that they convey this... as opposed to women who look like they're getting paid to try to act.

Camera operation. The zoom is not your friend. Storyboard the shots and the angles you'd like to see come to life, and then follow that format. Don't stay in a fixed postiion and attempt to zoom in and out and pan around the room in order to capture everything taking place. Make sure you at least use a tripod (preferably with a fluid-head). Your video will immediately drop down a couple of notches in quality the moment you attempt to record your video using a hand-held camera.

Editing. You don't need to include everything. In fact, you shouldn't. Sometimes (especially in ENF scenarios) you need to build up anticipation. Edit tight, and keep things moving forward. Timing is important. Get close up facial expressions. Get establishing shots. Get reaction shots. Put it all together in a way that makes sense. Make it seem like you're telling a story, and can even share multiple perspectives of that same story. Use music to enhance, but not overpower the vibe of the scene. Don't use it just because you have it. Same with transitions. Use them when they add value to the production.. not just because you have the ability to do so.

Models / Actors. You need variety. They need to look nice, but they don't need to be super model-esque. You want these poeple to be believable. You need to find attractive, yet seemingly approachable people.

Characters. To enhance the ENF, you need to introduce these characters. The viewers need to get to know them. They need to feel like they are familiar with them. This will make the ENF all that more spectacular! Seriously. Spend some time showing the characters outside of an ENF situation before putting them into the awkward and amazing situation you are planning.

Environment. Spend some time working on the location. If the girl is going to lose her top at the local pizza joint, don't putt pizza boxes in your kitchen and try to pretend that it's the downtown pizzaria.

Personality. If the subject is supposed to be shy or bashful, don't let her walk onto the set with her own clothes wearing leather and a miniskirt. Take control over all the aspects of each character to make them true to the character. If there's an instigator, make sure he/she gets into character, and looks the part as well.

Variety. Do they all need to be early 20s women? Think about the impact of various ENF scenes if the subjects are diverse. Now think about how much better each of those scenarios will play out if the audience in the scene is also diverse! Older, younger, male, female, authoritative, subordinate, bystander, instigator, friend, parent, relative, bully, puritan... etc. The ENF can create a wide array of responses from different types of people. Choose wisely the reactions you need, and place the characters into the appropriate scenes along with the best crowd of people in order to maximise the ENF situations.


Remember this... every step along the way you're going to lose quality. Something's going to go not quite right, or the equipment will do something unexpected, or human error will take place. If you're not careful, the production will wind up worse than you had hoped by the time post production has ended. Therefore, in order to minimize this, try to maximize quality at each step:

1. Preproduction. Scripting, storyboarding, casting, location scouting, all things conceptual. Spend a fair amount of time with this.
2. Make sure your cameras are high quality.
3. Use proper lighting, tridpods, etc.
4. Hire the right talent, get them into character.
5. Use concise and specific direction. Rehearse!
6. Location, settings, props, make sure they're true to the story, but not distracting.
7. Edit carefully. Use a professional edit system. Thoughtfully consider the timing of the cuts to highten the sense of emotion for each scene.

If you do it right, you may wind up with a classic! I too hope to do this one day.

Good luck.

ENF Movie
 

Just a few thoughts. I've never made a movie, so take them for what they are worth.

1. Plagiarism is the highest form of flattery. Steal idea's from other movies. Porky's. Class. Friday the 13th, etc. Yeah, they all had bigger budgets, but try to take as much from the as you can.

2. Instead of writing a script for the movie, do what Robert Altman did. Have the actors create their own dialog. Not for the whole movie, but at least some of it so the actresses feel comfortable in front of the camera. Saying your own dialog in a movie seems more natural. And if you don't like it, you can always edit it out later anyway.

3. To me, the actress is the most important aspect of the movie. She has to have charisma. Without it, no one is going to care what happens to her. So find someone who is not just good looking, but sparkles when she talks.

Anyway, just a few idea's.

You guys are incredible. Thanks for the amazing, insightful, and downright FUN input.

Let's go do this deal! :p

Bump
 

Sorry for the bump thought these discussions should come around once in a while to expose more people to the idea...