ENF: Mia lost her clothes
 

Note: this video has a watermark on it, but it was put there by me, and I license this video for free distribution.

I've been working on a new project that I think might be of interest to many of the members here. It's not quite ready yet, but it's getting close. I'll let Mia tell you about it.

I plan to update the site with another (much longer) teaser by tomorrow.

looks good, looks good - thanks!

Inneresting, veeeery inneresting. :)

Looking forward to the longer video :)

The site's been updated with a couple of new video clips. I'll upload one of 'em here, but if you want to see the other, you'll just have to go to lostbets.com yourself :)

Hey Red, thanks for the little teaser clips. I wish you all the success with your new site, it looks interesting. You definitely got yourself a couple of sweeties there. Just remember, it's all about quality, so don't feel obligated to throw things out there in haste just to satisfy our perverse appetite ;)

Good luck :)

Ashton was great, but Mia was incredible. She's fairly new to modeling and she spent a lot of time blushing and giggling nervously. The perfect ENF.
Don't worry, I'm a perfectionist. A lot of the footage I took, I don't plan to use because it's not up to my quality standards.

This was my first shoot, and I learned a lot from it. My next shoots will be better. Speaking of which, I'm doing two more shoots within the next week... if anybody has any suggestions to make, now is the time.

Question: Does it all have to be under the "lost bets" theme, or can I make a broader ENF suggestion?

Fango

Make any suggestion you want, I reserve the right to reject it :) But seeing as how I'll have the girls at my beck and call for quite a few hours anyway, if there's something that people want to see, something that people would pay to see, I'll consider anything.

Sorry it's taking me so long to get the full-length video up... believe me, I've been postproducing like mad, which hasn't been helped by the fact that Vista and Premiere don't seem to get along very well, which results in frequent crashes. It's taking half an hour just to render the frickin' preview of this movie. Like I said, I'm a perfectionist. Probably be another twelve to twenty-four hours. I hope y'all find it worth the wait. Sneak preview: it's Ashton and Mia playing Strip Rock-Paper-Scissors. Yes, they're models by profession, which doesn't change in the slightest the fact that this game was 100% real and the reactions are 100% genuine and unscripted. Be advised that I will be passing the hat, so if you like it, give 'til it hurts. And if the hat fills up enough, there's plenty more where this came from.

OK then...

- In keeping with the "lost bets" theme, I would love to see something, anything, that involves the girls having to go outside naked. I'm not sure where you're filming (looks like a hotel room from the caps), but if the girls went out into the hallway, down to the lobby, or even outside the building naked, that would be truly awesome. Works best if there are plenty of people around at the time, but it's not a requirement.

- Further afield, I would love to see a vid in which a girl's clothes disappear bit by bit, thanks to the magic of editing, until she is left naked. Of course, she would get increasingly embarrassed as each article of clothing inexplicably disappears into thin air. Or, in an alternate version, all of her clothes disappear at once, leaving her naked, and she screams and covers up. Even better if there are people watching/looking at her.

- Minor request: Any chance for a little bit of Hidden Nudity in any of the videos? :D

Honestly, that's what I'd really like to see and what there is too little of: ENF in public and clothes disappearing vids. If these requests could be filled, I would be truly appreciative.

BTW, what will it say on my credit card bill if I donate? I don't want to have to answer questions about what "Lost Bets" is...

Thanks

Fango

Tricky, because being a legitimate business, I can't run afoul of indecent exposure laws. Some day when I have a venue that allows it, I'll do outdoor nudity. Also, Seattle in March is not the time and place to shoot out-of-doors. Never mind the cold and the near-constant rain; the lighting is awful

I've already considered that -- something like the Strip-O-Matic gun that Ed invented -- and it's on my list of things to do. Not immediately, though.

You mean coverups? I've got two decent (albeit brief) coverup vids on the site right now.

I believe "PayPal", but I could be mistaken.

I'm not sure I've ever seen that. What is it?


Hidden Nudity=nudity hidden by strategically placed objects. The objects are either held by the girls themselves, someone else, or placed in the foreground. Either way, they block the nudity without the girls actually covering up with their hands.

Fango

Oh, I'm referring to a recurring theme on Ed Cetera's site A Measure of Curiosity. He does photostories, some of which involve a clothing-dissolving gun.

Duly noted. I'll see what I can do.

First video is now up there. Hope y'all like it.

Paypal
 

Red

You might want to consider not linking directly to paypal and instead use an email address to paypal money to..

I know of sites which had to use other methods because of paypal
Terms of service..

PayPal's Acceptable Use Policy states that PayPal will not process payments for the purchase of sexually-oriented digital goods. I'm not asking people to buy anything. (That's also the answer to a question I've been asked, "Why don't you give donors a version of the video without the nag screens?" Because that would violate PayPal's policy.)

Even so it's possible that PayPal will take offense. They're just a stopgap measure anyway; if the site takes off I'll switch to another payment processor. And if the site doesn't take off, it doesn't really matter anyway.

Thanks
 

Good first video...attractive girls and good reactions to playing the game

Great vid. Nice comeback too. I think the other girl should've got naked though too. Just to be fair and all :D

I finally had a chance to see the vid. Here are my reactions:

***** SPOILERS BELOW *****

- First, a question: Are these models who regularly do nude work?

- A great come from behind win for Mia. :)

- Will some of the donations you receive go towards the purchase of a tripod, or did you just choose not to use one? The handheld was kind of distracting, but not a major issue.

- The contribution reminder just before Ashton took off her bra was more than a little tacky and interrupted the flow of the video (in other words, a major turn-off). Sure, it was attention-getting, but in a bad way. To tell you the truth, it's the kind of thing that makes me not want to contribute.
I know you need money, but I think a reminder at the beginning and end would have sufficed, not to mention all of the reminders on your site. If you absolutely feel you have to have a reminder in the middle of the video, may I humbly suggest that you scroll it across the bottom or top while the scene continues instead of stopping the scene dead?

Overall, it's great to see these kinds of vids. The game had a nice, fun, relaxed feel to it, with just the right amount of embarrassment. I'm looking forward to the next one.

Thanks

Fango

What Ashton and Mia do when they're not playing stripping games is their business... I don't think it'd be right for me to talk about their day jobs.

Indeed :) So much so that I worried that people would accuse me of fixing the game... which I didn't.

I've already acquired a tripod and will use it on future shoots. My next purchase will be a set of professional lights. And there's a new high-definition prosumer camcorder coming out in April that I want to buy.

But whether I'll use donations to buy these things is sort of academic, because so far, I can count the number of donations I've received on the fingers of one hand. I can count the number of dollars I've received on the fingers of one hand.

Yeah, well, it's a little annoying when TV shows get interrupted for commercials, too. As for needing money... I think perhaps I wasn't clear on why I'm asking for donations.

What I want to do is evolve LostBets.com into a full paysite, with new content once a week. I've already invested a lot of money and time, but I can't go to the paysite model until I've invested quite a bit more. I need to build up an inventory of videos featuring several different models, I need to hire a web designer, I need to contract with a payment processor, I need to buy licensed copies of Premiere and Flash, etc.

My biggest fear in doing this is that I'm seriously overestimating demand. I've been a fan of stripping games for 22 years now, ever since a friend of mine showed me Artworx Strip Poker on his Apple II. I've wished for a site like this. StripGameCentral.com comes closest, and is an excellent site, but is stills-only... no video, no interactive games. So I would cheerfully pay for this content... but what if I'm the only one? Or what if I'm one of very few? This is what worries me, this is what makes me want to keep my checkbook in my pocket.

The contribution model isn't intended to make me a profit, and it isn't intended to be permanent. It's intended to be a way for me to judge demand, to determine how many people would be willing to pay for this content. So far, the response has been extremely disappointing, but the video is still new and maybe contributions will pick up as time goes on and more videos are posted.

To make a long story short, when I go to the professional-site model, the videos won't have the nag screens. So if you want to see the nag screens go away... contribute ;)

The next one will be my first interactive game, featuring Mia vs. You. Should be up by the middle of next week.

So, they're not models? I thought you said somewhere that they were models. :confused:

Fair enough, but I still think you're going about it the wrong way. There are better ways to remind people to contribute than to stop the video dead, right at a sexy moment. Even if you had to make it like a commercial, taking a break away from the action, that would be better than stopping things right at the kind of moment you did and plastering a reminder right on the screen. It was extremely frustrating. And, as I said, it works counterintuitively and makes me reluctant to donate.

Anyway, I can't wait to see how you've done the game, it should be interesting, to say the least.

Fango

Public nudity is legal in Vermont. It is also legal for women to be topless in public in New York, Ohio and Ontario, among other places.

They posed for my camera, which constitutes modeling, which makes them models. What they do when they're not modeling for me, I don't think it's my place to say.

Well, as soon as I get enough donations to finance a trip to one of those locations, I'll get right on it ;)

The first interactive game is now live on the site. Hope you like it.

Well, I just finished playing. I won! :D Mia asked what I thought, so here's what I think:

- I liked it. A lot. The best part was the nip slip when she took off her shirt, a true ENF moment if I've ever seen one. She clearly wasn't expecting her nipple to pop out (so soon, anyway).

- Question: How does the actual game itself work? Is it skewed to be easy or is it random? I only lost one round, which is why I ask. Was I really that good or was I getting some "help"?

- I didn't notice any bugs. Everything went pretty smoothly. The long load time was boring to sit through, but not excrutiating.

- Some constructive criticism: I thought Mia could have been a little more embarrassed about the whole thing. She said the right things (e.g. "I can't believe I have to take off my [insert article of clothing here]".), but I didn't really believe her. What was her motivation? :rolleyes: As you can tell, I'm not being entirely serious here, but you know what I mean. I'm not sure how you are balancing the ENF:Non-ENF ratio, but I personally felt it could have used just a dash or two more of ENF.

- THANK YOU for not putting a donation reminder in the middle. It did not go unnoticed and is much appreciated. :) As soon as you confirm what it will say on my credit card bill if I donate, I will be happy to give (depending on the outcome).

Thanks (and keep up the good work)

Fango

Nice
 

She is a cutie...

Interface worked OK. Load time wasnt that bad (I've waited much longer!).

Vid quality was ok.

Mia's throw is entirely random, assuming that the escaped mental patients who came up with Flash didn't bollix up their math library. But you do have an advantage, which is that you can change your throw up to half a second before the end of her throw animation, by which you may have actually seen what her throw will be, or will recognize it because all of the vids are a little bit different.

That's when I should put my donation beg ;-)

Well, you just helped me make a decision on editing together Ashton's interactive... it can wait for now. Part of the problem, paradoxically, is that Mia really was embarrassed; she was blushing and giggling throughout. (I may put together an outtake reel at some point.) Made it a little hard to direct her. But again, it was my first time doing anything like this, and I learned a lot. Future shoots will be better still.

Well, I can definitely use any ideas you have... post 'em here or email 'em to me. The tricky bit is coming up with a storyline that explains why the girl a) is extremely blushingly embarrassed to take off her clothes, but b) agreed to play a stripping game anyway. I can think of a couple, and I plan to try one out at my next shoot.

Hope I can. Both girls I had lined up for Sunday flaked on me; I still plan to get at least two more girls and do at least one more shoot, and edit together at least one more full-length game and one more interactive. After that, we'll see what the commercial prospects look like.

:D


Knowing that puts the game in a whole new light. I may have to go back and play again. :)


Actually, I was just referring to having the girls act a little more embarrassed, but as for adding ENF, how about having two girls? The player can choose which girl they want to play with, while the other stands by and helps to embarrass the girl in play while she loses, kind of like with the video. Could be interesting...

Thanks again

Fango

Brilliant. I'll use it in my very next shoot.

Great! I can't wait to see it!

Fango

Just a heads-up that another update is live on the site.

Awesome update. The game was really cool and inventive. Can't wait to see what's next. Strip Battleship maybe? lol

Nice update
 

Thanks Red

The photo story is fun!