WNBR Portland Night Ride
 

What happened to the Portland night time WNBR thread? It seems to have disappeared. Anyone know if it did? If so, why?

Same reason as this, I believe:
https://forum.oneclickchicks.com/showthread.php?t=201188

Well it looks like a new one will have to be created then. Thanks.

What percent of the Portland nighttime thread was created and maintained by just one user?

Irrelevant, since as alluded to in https://forum.oneclickchicks.com/show...97&postcount=5 and discussed but censored elsewhere, there's a "rule" that says an originator of a thread can have it yanked in its entirety irrespective of how many posts in it are from others; the reductio ad absurdum, of course, being someone starting a thread with one post, then never contributing more, but deciding nonetheless to have the whole thing removed...it's hard to imagine a greater disincentive to anyone posting to any thread other than ones they themselves originate, and where the hell's the OCC spirit of building collaboration reflected in that kind of practice?

Nothing Crispus said was untrue, though perhaps less charitable than the way someone like myself would put it, having lost 3-5 posts and not dozens or hundreds like Crispus did. Klondike's retirement put the overstressed mods in an impossible situation that we're not likely to see again any time soon. No intention to criticize anyone here, just don't want to leave the impression there's an ongoing crisis.

To answer the question, I think this was one thread where Klondike really did add 80% of the posts and pictures. Almost everybody else put their Portland WNBR posts into the main yearly WNBR threads.

Spirit of OCC
 

The discussion here is interesting. Here's my two cents worth, whether anyone cares or not: If I ever leave this forum I would never ask that all my threads be deleted. I read Klondike's reason for doing it and while I have sympathy for his personal issues, pulling every thread seems a little like an overreaction. He felt regret for posting all that stuff on "a porn site." It's not like it doesn't say right on the signup page what this forum is. So, he knew what he was doing and did it anyway, for years. If he feels shame, I understand his desire to want to undo this part of his life, but it seems the undoing came at the expense of others. Everyone has a different reason for posting. Mine has been that it was fun. Note the word "was." I've cut back on posting over the last couple of weeks. One of the reasons is that it takes up way too much of my time. Looking around at other threads, I also see that for the most part what I post here is the same old shit everyone else posts...except in a different bag. Very few of us post exclusive photographs. One of the biggest reasons I'm losing my interest in posting is all the deletions. The rules are the rules, but (and this is obviously just my opinion) the forum administration is maybe a little too eager with deletion requests. Recently, one of my threads, almost daily, had a photo or two "removed on request." Usually the picture was of someone like Magalie, or Leigh, or some other woman who has so many hardcore pictures all over the web she could never remove them all. When some little college girl has her selfie stolen off her cell phone and it ends up here, I fully support her request to have it removed. However, someone who has been posing for hardcore pictures for years and suddenly decides she wants everything deleted so she can go pro or whatever...I say tough shit. The same goes for posters. If some guy posts his wife's face without her knowledge and he suddenly grows a conscience and wants them removed, cool. However, if you've been posting several times a day for 3-4 years...again, tough shit. Klondike has put a strain on moderators and irritated other members. I think he made a poor choice. I hate it when I take the time out to post here, only to have the pics removed on my own threads. I certainly understand how other people feel having all their contributions to Klondike's threads deleted. Crispus is right when he talks about "disincentive." Maybe in the future a flag can be written up by an attorney that essentially warns members: "What you post here, stays here." All that said, I thought Klondike was an asset to the forum. He will be missed.

This isn't about Klondike specifically, but one reason good reason to allow members to request deletion of their old posts (though not necessarily huge shared threads) is that it gives members a sense of security in posting. At least we know we have a chance to keep most of our posts from bosses or ex-wives' lawyers, if things went really bad in real life. Without that assurance, we'd probably see a lot less original content posted.

Hi guys,

Just happened to pop my head in here.

Ok, let me just say up front that I regret both the stress on the mods and the deletion of other posters material
due to my actions last summer. However, please note a couple of things. One, I consider what I did (delete 20-25 threads) a very minor correction or edit to a very large body of work (hundreds of threads) and one that will never happen again. And second, and this is important, I began the whole exercise deleting individual posts, not entire threads. Only did I begin deleting entire threads after I received a pm from a beleaguered mod asking if "maybe the entire thing (thread) should go." At that point, I began requesting the deletion of entire threads to spare the mods all their effort. So, I never intended for others material to go, only my own, but that's how the system works.

As for my reasoning in all this, it hasn't changed. I know occ is a porn site, and knew that up front. If there existed other websites suitable for posting less "porn like", I might have posted there instead. But I knew of no other sites. I wouldnt make much of what I wrote in this regard though. I have no regrets posting here as I don't really think of occ as a porn site myself anyway. It's what others might think which caused me to ponder things a little. But Occ is just a repository of naked material from across the net. Most of what goes up here you can find elsewhere.

Of all the threads I had deleted (20-25), and it's been 6 months now, I've heard feedback and complaints regarding only 2, the thread in question here, and the campus run thread. I doubt anyone even misses the other threads, so I think this is a pretty good batting average. I expected that the disappearance of these two threads would raise eyebrows, and they did. Once again, my apologies for the fact that others lost material, but like I said, I intended at first to only delete my posts.

There were really two categories of material of mine I sought to remove. I won't go into the details, but I am firmly committed that I made the right choice. It was a moral, ethical dilemma which I did discuss all the time with a few other members. The mods worked overtime to satisfy my requests, and I really can't tell you how much I appreciated their efforts. If I had not put in so much time and effort into occ over the years, I would never have considered making such a large request of their time.

So, the feedback, both pro and con, are ok by me and understandable. I have no regrets nor negativity towards anyone here, and I certainly did not do what I did out a diminished respect for occ and it's members. The diminished respect was actually for yours truly, truth be told....:)

Ok, life changes but it goes on. I think I am entitled to look back on 10 years of effort and do a little tweaking
as you try to put your life into sharper focus. Ill let it go at that, and please remember I had no intention nor desire to have others material removed!

Klondike

No, just to reiterate, I only pulled a small fraction of my threads here, not all of them. 20-25 at most vs hundreds that remain.

K

Crispus, I have great respect for you and appreciate your sentiments. Collaboration is something I repeatedly sought over the years in threads that I originated. I don't know how many times I asked other members to chip in, add their own pics, keep the thread alive etc, and when others responded, I always tried to thank them. In fact, the collaborate aspects of posting, the social aspects and the exchanges with other members enriched by experience here over the years enormously.

I don't know how much material you lost in my deletions. I didn't check the threads prior. But considering that just about everything you post here is noteworthy, what was lost is a loss to occ. My state of mind last summer was a little unstable, and everything I did I did quickly as it seemed time might be short. It was also unprecedented for me. I was on the verge of removing even more stuff but got some signals from the mods.
But again, I think the pressure on the mods was the key in all this. With unlimited time, perhaps I could have limited what got deleted to just my posts. That was my initial desire.

K

While I appreciate the efforts and contributions of everyone here, I don't think it is ever right for someone else's posts to be caught up in a deletion dragnet by another poster. Luckily, it sounds like it only caused two major threads to be deleted, but it sets a terrible precedent, especially for people who continually come into check on the developments of a particular thread.

I have also stopped posting (I asked a few times to have my username changed so that I could post some new material that I have but never heard back). I also considered removing some posts/threads, but ultimately decided against it. I guess I'm chiming in to say to Klondike that your enthusiasm for the material here and your own contributions were always top notch and appreciated. Sorry it has to end on a bad note for you. I'm sure I'm not alone in wanting to thank you for what you brought to this board.

Yes, the power to delete, not just here but everywhere is a great relief to me and I've exercised that power countless times. You grow. Your opinions change. You become a better speller, debater. Your relationships change. And so on and so on. Maybe what you post here should stay here, but then everything is knowable to the powers that be so it's not like Vegas. There are no secrets on the net..

K

Thanks, Klondike
 

Thanks to Klondike for coming back and clearing up some things. As for the discussion here, it's not a personal attack on Klondike. That's certainly not how my comment was intended. I think what's going on here is just members trying to air concerns about what just happened and discussing how to deal with it in the future.

While deletions are a pain in the ass, Schlubby said something interesting about deletions being a fallback against bosses and ex wives attornies... in case things go wrong in real life. This brings up a whole new, but related, squirmy can of worms I feel compelled to say something about. It's the ugly underside of what we're doing here...something most of us (including me) tend to ignore. All over the Internet there are guys posting pictures of wives and other women without their knowledge. When these women find out ( and Han Solo is right, women ALWAYS find out) relationships and lives can be ruined. I'm guessing that might be behind some of the regret Klondike is feeling and frankly, me too. We alI have to grapple with the idea that when we repost those types of pictures, we're possibly contributing to someone's humiliation. Klondike wrote about escaping into the little world we create here. I fully comprehend that idea. I do a lot of escaping here myself. Here's this wonderful little place inhabited by beautiful naked women we never meet...and fun people with colorful names and avatars... that we never meet. It's all safe and annonymous. Until it isn't. Hey, I love it when there's a woman here posting her own stuff, or an open minded couple, doing it together. It's the revenge porn and the stuff posted without the woman's knowledge that gives me pause. I think that might be part of Klondike's realization. A lot of the WNBR, Freemont Solstice, Naturists and women on beaches might not care if they end up on a porn site. But certainly some do. I love the pictures, but I'm thinking less and less about this fantasy world and more and more about the real life women who unwittingly inhabit it. I don't want to moralize or judge anyone. However, If you're posting pictures of someone you care about without their consent, you probably SHOULD delete all your stuff. Then go back and have a conversation with
that person you're posting without consent. Explain how much it turns you on that other's might enjoy her pictures. She might surprise you. If everyone posted and posting here is here by choice, it's better for members, mods...everyone.

With regard to public events, though, if you are naked at a WNBR or Fremont Solstice or whatever, it really should be the understanding of anyone of average intelligence or above that your photos will appear everywhere, including porn sites. It is incredibly naive to think that your photos will appear only briefly in some alternative weekly news site.

This site has been INCREDIBLY responsible, in comparison with others, about removing photos at just about anyone's request.

That's a pretty fair assessment overall.

I was thinking not long ago that I never wanted to be the type of guy that women couldn't trust. But when you shoot pics of them naked in public and then post them on line, you are establishing a relationship with them even if you don't know them personally or even talk to them. Is that a relationship based on trust? No, probably not. Am I happy about that? No, but I can get around any negative feelings by staying focused on the fantasy element and finding other ways to justify what I've done. But I think every woman that contemplates appearing naked in public makes a mental estimate beforehand as to the likelihood that they will appear naked online, then acts accordingly based on their own comfort level with that. I make mental estimates too and don't want theirs to be really low, so I try to shoot and post accordingly too. And if I've erred on the wrong side, then we have a breach of trust. But every event is different, and whether it's commercially motivated, protest oriented or would never benefit from any publicity whatsoever, all that enters into the equation too.

Anyway, I know people come here for the pics and because this thread doesn't have any yet and has been taken over by my rambling, who know what the mods will do with it. Oh, crispus did post a few. Good.

But if I had 3% of my threads here deleted, that's like saying I'm 97% guilt free overall even after having stepped outside of the fantasy bubble for a while and taken a deep breath. What remains here stays here.
I've dealt with it, both here and over at flickr. Along the way, a few others lost posts in the fallout. Hopefully with enough interest, the more popular threads can get rebuilt.

K

I've never had an issue with posters' deletions of their own contributions; wherever on the spectrum of motivation they fall between a fit of pique and a genuine crisis of conscience (which latter seems to have been K/D's case, and major kudos to him for his candor in discussing it), it should always be an absolute right. Nor was my issue with moderators per se, whose regrettably underappreciated efforts here are crucial to maintaining whatever decency keeps OCC above the vast majority of so much else out there in the pornosphere; rather, it was and remains about a policy that seems to me, and it would appear not a few others out there, unfair and discouraging to those who post in anyone else's thread...and with that I really, truly will shut up about it, though before y'all get too giddy, know that I'll probably simply turn my snark to other, recently more neglected, pet peeves. Here, since that's what I at least do this for, more pictures:

Personal Message to Klondike
 

I am late getting caught up with all of this and I finally understand your motivations after reading several related threads. Before you retire and leave completely I just wanted you to know how much you mean to me. Because of you I had the most wonderful experience in my life that has yet to be duplicated since that fateful day at Freemont.

Though I understand your sentiments about this being a porn site (along with your personal decision to retire) and that you feel you wasted an inordinate amount of time here rather than on "real" relationships, I just have to tell you that you also managed to have a positive impact on at least one person here (me, though I suspect there are others as well) and I will always be grateful to you for that. I admire your work more than you know and I appreciate your gentle support and encouragement over the years here. You are indeed a gentleman - a rare quality these days I can tell you.

I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers and I hope things work out well for you.

Torre
(Victoria)

Torre, it's always good to hear from you because you provided me with that rare opportunity to actually get to know someone on the "other side". I don't feel as though I wasted time here, especially not after hooking up with you. In fact, in the years following your fremont ride, I tried to find other potential "Torres" out there, and actually came close to succeeding once over at flickr.

It maybe appears to some that I have a lot of regrets. Not really true, especially when it comes to fremont. The minor stuff I've dealt with, and your writing only reinforces in me how positive an experience for all involved was the fremont parade every year. It reached out and touched people like yourself and changed you. It was a privilege to be a part of that. So, I wish you well. You have that special quality that symbolizes to me what the parade is all about with all its risks, rewards, and opportunities for growth and empowerment. It would have been a joy to have met you in person.

Best regards,

Klondike

What a nice reply! it touched my heart. Really it did. As for meeting me, I am surprised that you would say that because I often meet you regularly in my dreams. I STILL think that you might have been one of those many, many photographers that took my picture that day - gawd was that a rush seeing them point the camera at me wearing only a little paint! I still get chill bumps and get a little lightheaded just thinking about that! I know you said you weren't there that year but I just have this feeling, a really, really strong feeling that you were and you know what they say about women's intuition, right? it's pretty accurate most of the time. It doesn't really matter if you were or weren't there - in my mind you were and I still get that special feeling thinking that the guy that was responsible for the best day of my life was actually looking back at me! As you know I am basically an internet coward but I can't thank you enough for your inspiration to actually go through with it AND for he memories, oh the memories!

Torre

Back to the point
 

Isn't there any way for the mods to select and delete all posts by the user requesting this action - instead of deleting entire threads? If the software doesn't permit this level of editing in it's current form, perhaps get a quote for that modification? I bet many members would pay to have a change made that allows mods to delete specific users posts without deleting entire threads. It could even be a mandatory fee - like you have for users that want to view videos...... We are almost to 2020, it would seem that there must be a way to edit more selectively. And who knows, maybe a restoration of previous threads with edited content deleted but the rest of the thread still in place?

Thanks, Klondike
 

Klondike, thanks for all you have provided to this site over the years, and I hope that you are finding your way to a better place.

In one more attempt to return to pictorial communication:

Why don't we just all post whatever WNBR pictures we have in a new thread?

Because a) there are plenty of WNBR pictures already posted and not deleted, b) this thread is about the disappearance of a specific thread, with the specific theme of the nighttime Portland WNBR, and c) part of the point of threads in general, and bike/WNBR threads in particular, is to specifically sort, by either year or a feature of particular interest to the establisher (e.g. hairy armpits), pictures relevant to that theme?

I am and always will be a firm believer that a thread should NEVER be deleted in it's entirety unless the original poster had 100% of their content in that thread. I don't know which moderator had said "maybe the entire thread should go" but that was the wrong suggestion. We have the option to temporarily delete a thread, remove the requested content, and make the thread available again. It can take time but I personally think for anything deemed "original content" it's worth the effort.

The last thing I would want to see is OCC become a shell of its former self, thread after thread of original content deleted. I think this site was built on original content and should continue to thrive with that same content.

Slick

hopefully im not setting any precedent here. I dont get the general feeling that content is being removed from this site.

in hindsight, I might have moved a little slower and talked things over with the mods more. but I had no idea when I started asking that stuff be removed how far I would go eventually, and I was in a hurry at the time.

I would have been fine with a temporary take down. No problem. Just remove my posts and put the thread back up. Is it still possible to do this? It does sound like a lot of work though, and it would probably only be useful regarding two threads (campus run and portlandnighttime WNBR since no one seems to have missed the other threads).

K

EDIT: dont know how much truly original content there was in these threads. I put up some. The majority of the content was not original

thread
 

Maybe it's just me but it does seem like a lot of work. But with that said aren't we paying them in order to watch movies? so they are getting paid for their time.

A lot of the threads are permanently deleted, there's no way to restore them. Once a thread is "soft deleted" it can be restored, unless it's been soft deleted for a while. Any thread that has the deleted status for an extended period of time gets permanently deleted from the servers.

Who gets paid? I certainly don't and neither do the other moderators. We volunteer our time to keep OCC running smoothly.

Slick

I have a pretty decent collection of Portland night ride photos. I would be willing to post the best of them -- maybe 100 or so -- with the following caveats.

1. Many of these photos come from other sources, not just the OCC thread in question.
2. These have become a part of MY collection, which means:
a. Most have been resized for my computer screen, which is a 27" monitor, so they are large pictures
b. I have cropped and adjusted the image color/brightness settings to suit MY tastes.
c. The photos have been renumbered, so they will not match picture numbers from the original thread
d. All years mixed together -- I did not store them in separate folders
e. Some photos from the Chicago night ride may have ended up in this collection
3. There are no watermarked photos in this collection, but since I did not take the photos myself and they came from various sources, I have no way of knowing if they had a watermark at some previous time.

With those caveats, I will gladly upload what I've got. If the mods or anyone else has concerns, just tell me to quit and I will.

Portland Set #1

ok, and maybe since this thread is then going to be THE pdx nighttime ride pic thread, I would suggest the title be renamed to reflect that.

D(K)

I'll remind everyone once again that these are not photos I took. All credit and my genuine appreciation to those photographers who have, over the years, made such an effort to take photos and then share them.

I realize that, by posting from my personal collection, I am not only re-posting the work of others, but that I have actually made changes to their original photos in many cases -- cropping, zooming, improving the lighting, etc.

None of this has been done maliciously, I do not retouch the photos, and I most certainly do not claim they are my own.

Unfortunately, since I just download, make my adjustments and store the photos, I really have no way of thanking each photographer individually. But to every one of them, my applause and respect.

And for you, D (K), you've been my hero on this board for years. Although this is actually my first effort at posting photos, I have admired your efforts and contributions. I understand your reasons for trying to regain a sense of balance in your life and I respect your decision. But I will certainly miss your contributions here.

Portland Night Rides Set #2

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