I Can Get Away With It Because "Other Women Are Doing It"
 

Several people here have used the term "plausible deniability" to explain times when women risk doing sexual things that they KNOW are sexually wrong or unfaithful or beyond conventional bounds, such as undressing with curtains open or spreading their legs too wide in a skirt or letting a man look down their loose tops, as long as they can plausibly deny that it was deliberate.

I have another theory of times when women willingly do things that they KNOW are wrong, or out of bounds. I call it the "I can get away with it because other women are doing it" syndrome. Not "peer pressure", but "peer liberation". Mob mentality, perhaps?

I thought about this recently when I was at the grocery store and, as always, saw some MILFs and other women wearing yoga pants. In the business world, all of the women in my office, young and old, know that if they wear yoga pants to work that they have to have something long covering their butt and crotch, because they show off every little detail. But at the mall, the grocery store, and around my subdivision, many don't. Call it fashion if you want, call if comfortable maybe, but I think at least some percentage of grown women doing this know that they are publicly exposing more than they should to men, but feel they can get away with it because they see "other women do it."

Attire is a big one for this, I believe. Sure there are women who are shy and reluctant to wear skimpy outfits but do because it's the latest fashion and due to peer pressure. But my theory is that a lot of women will wear too-short skirts, too-low tops, tiny thongs, or too-skimpy bathing suits in places that they KNOW are just beyond the bounds of accepted decency and may get them sexual attention, and justify doing it by saying, at least to themselves, "it's okay because the other women are doing it."

Here is one personal observation where this syndrome may have occurred:

Kissing men under mistletoe, or at the stroke of midnight at New Years Eve. It's been decades since I was at a bona-fide New Years party with friends, but there were a few times when the wives and girlfriends kissed me, and every other man not already passed out, at midnight. And they weren't just a peck on the cheek or lips. It was full-on deep passionate French kissing. Seeking other men she knows and sliding her tongue around his mouth wouldn't have been tolerated the other 364 days and 23 hours of the year. But they stretched the custom because "all of the women were doing it."

I think this extends to the wet t-shirt contest. If several girls are up there they are more likely to go. If one girl takes off her top the others follow suit. You are on to something here.

Games
 

It definitely extends to playing strip poker and things like that. Someone has to set the tone for what is acceptable, and then nearly everyone else will quickly join in.

Just gotta find the "first"
 

Totally agree.

I've seen some amazing things happen because some other girl went "first."

It's my life's quest to find the girl who likes to go "first." :D

"a lot of women will wear too-short skirts, too-low tops, tiny thongs, or too-skimpy bathing suits in places that they KNOW are just beyond the bounds of accepted decency and may get them sexual attention"

Well that sums me up right there George VI...I love it, love it, love it...make me horny as hell :D:D:D

xx

hmmm
 

My wife and I were at a nudist swinger club last summer. And while we fucked in the pool, and in one of the play rooms in front of an audience of 10 to 15, she was reluctant to fuck outside by the pool .... because noone else was!

Female logic?

Absolutely agree. That's why I love Fantasy Fest. We're nudists and light duty swingers but when we go to Fantasy Fest all bets are off. I think even a number of our life style friends would be very surprised if they saw my wife in action at Fantasy Fest. But with so much of it going on around you, it just seems normal to have your wife climb under a table and service you while your wearing a toga :-)

Dollie----------- I agree and have enough experience to know it's true. I suppose I'm one of those women who go first. At bike events and our favorite bars it seems to be me flashing for beer or starting a T-shirt contest. Most have nothing to do with water anymore.
On vacations and many places away from home I'm the old lady wearing only a mini skirt showing her butt and other things. I'm usually one of the only women in a very low top, bikini top, or some sort of halter. Even at car events I'm dressed this way because hubby loves it and there's always other women who copy.
Just yesterday I was first to get a new contest started at our local bar. I was tied and tickled first. Then other women liked it and layed to get tickled.
I never wanted to be first. I have always been an exhibitionist so it's how I dress.
Often even at the nude beach I'm first to get naked. And if I didn't do it on clothing beaches others wouldn't dare.
I'm too old for this but we want to keep flashing and nudity alive in America.

You're never too old Dollie. You are an inspiration.
As stated above by others, it just takes us few to get others to loose their fear of showing off. Think if we were in another country, this wouldn't be an exciting thing. My husbands single friends love to go out with us because I usually get the fun started and brings other fun people around us. Thankfully I have a husband (Hi honey) that doesn't care about my no bra, flashing in public, getting mildly groped and the occasional girl kissing. As long as it's in good fun. You only go around this big blue pill once so have fun.

Excellent observation, and also very interesting.
And all replies to date have been interesting and valid as well.
Seems that most replies were variations of an observation of mine that I think falls into your category:
"Nudity is Contagious!" (namely the replies mentioning "some else going first" wet T-shirt contests and Fantasy Fest)
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Sisters-In-Law In Panties
 

When I first got married and for a number of years after that, I would visit my in-laws or they would visit me, and my wife's sisters would sleep only in short t-shirts and panties, and parade around in front of me that way. Yes different households have different ideas of what is or isn't taboo to wear around "family", but I still thought it was weird, though damned sexy, to have all of these sisters-in-laws, some single and some married, showing me their braless tits and having their panties in full view and pulled tight over their butts and pussies. Sometimes they might wear an actual short nightgown on top, but still sit cross-legged or otherwise spread their legs and let me see their panties. Sometimes there were only one or two other people around, sometimes just the SIL and her husband, but other times there was a whole house full of family when they dressed this way.

And even my brother-in-law's statuesque curvy hot wife, who I'm confident didn't dress this way in front of her own family, started preening around me and at least one other brother-in-law just in braless t-shirts and panties (even tank tops with her large breasts hanging out the sides). I won't forget the first time she walked by me, smiling, and down the hall, her butt cheeks rising and falling under her panties, my wife's younger brother and I pretending we weren't staring. I wouldn’t call it peer pressure – nobody would have given it a second thought if she wore jogging shorts or something to bed. My theory is at some point she, seeing the other women showing panties, started doing it because, "I can get away with it because 'he is family' and all of the others are doing it."

Encore
 

If you combine "other people are doing it, so it's ok" with "you've already seen me naked, so it's ok" it would seem that life should be a progression of increasing nakedness, which is maybe the only thing to look forward to about getting older...

Great memory
 

Holy crap, that post just brought back a memory I haven't had in a long time.

When I was a kid, probably 8th grade, my parents went out of town and my sister and I stayed with a family that lived across the street for a whole week. We had known them all our lives and often played together. They had ten kids, Irish Catholic, and I was the age of their second to youngest. So their house was full of older kids in high school and college.

The first day everything was totally normal, like I said we had known them forever. And then after dinner everyone got their pajamas on and came down to watch TV. (This was back when a house had one TV) The brothers wore sweat pants or flannel pj bottoms and t-shirts. The girls however all wore nighties. They came down just past their panties, with frill at the hem. But the craziest thing was they were basically transparent. I swear I am not making this up. The daughter who was my age and my best friend, and her three older sisters were all wearing basically nothing, and what they were wearing was see-through. And none of them were wearing bras.

When they first came down, I thought it was a total put on. Like I was on candid camera. They were such a conservative family. This couldn't be happening. But the entire time I was there, it was the same thing. All day long they were the people I knew and then after dinner I got to openly see their nipples, their bouncing boobs, their panties. They would sit on the floor cross legged while watching TV. It was crazy. And they didn't seem to care at all that I was there.

The only thing I can figure is that if you grow up in a house with ten kids, everyone has seen everyone so many times that nobody cares anymore.

Thank you for reminding me of that week.

Staying over
 

I agree that people change their habits in the everyday domestic environment. If someone comes for dinner then naturally they're dressed up, but staying over for a few days the inhibitions slip.
I've experienced the same thing with SIL's, cousins etc who maybe some downstairs in the morning before they shower, braless in a thin slightly see-through t shirt or vest.
They will also be more relaxed in the bathroom to bedroom trip across the hall, maybe wrapped in a towel that barely covers their backside or in a bra with no shirt if their waiting for their deodorant to dry.
I've see all this in church going ladies who've only ever had one man in their life and wont wear skirts above their knee!
I'm looking forward to summer when we get some more visitors.
Maybe it's stretching the theory but I do think some are desperate to do something a little outrageous but are scared because of the constraints in their sober lives and don't really know where to start.

An OCC help group needed maybe?

I'm puzzled --
 

Women will wear mini-skirts that nearly expose "everything" but when they sit down they nearly rip the hem out of the skirt trying to get it to cover their knees!

Any way, here is my contribution. Had to fiddle with the brightness and contrast to get a good peek!

Enjoy!

True
 

Ive been to clubs where women let you grind up on them & feel them up on a public dance floor. Yet go on a date with them & try to cop a feel & they act like you are the pervert in a raincoat LOL

My wife's first year of teaching she got to be close friends of 2 other young teachers who had been teaching a few years. Of course we got together with them on weekends, partied and wet to football games together, this was before anyone had kids, so it was pretty carefree. All of the ladies were very conservative and dressed modestly, didn't smoke and drank little alcohol.

After the 1st year teaching they invited us to go in with them on a beach house rental, something they did every summer as soon as school was out. They even coordinated with another teacher group, so we had like 3 condos on the beach full of young teachers and their spouses. Apparently when this group finished teaching for the year and got to the beach, all rules were off. Very skimpy bikinis, no bras, wet t-shirts, strip poker games, they even had a trophy for the first skinny dipper. These were teachers, not models, but there were some very attractive bodies on display.

I had always heard that nurses were the most sexually adventuress group, after few year of my wife teaching, I learned differently.

He Can Feel Me Up on the Dance Floor Because...
 

Yeah, I would think that dancing would be a good one for this. But at my age and sheltered conservative lifestyle I have no personal experience, sadly. I'd think that once a woman sees her friends grinding on some guys, or letting some guys grind on their ass or crotches, and seeing Miley Cyrus doing it on TV, it would be easy to be out on the dance floor and decide it’s okay to let some dude who is a stranger or just an acquaintance and not her husband dry hump her because “the other women are doing it.”

But this is not completely new. I can relate true stories from the mid-1960s where school principals were breaking up sock hops like a vice raid because couples were allegedly dancing too close together. Or to quote Gabby Hayes from some old Western, “You can call it waltzing if you want, but to me it’s just plain hugging in public!”

But please, if you have any true stories of women letting men grind on them in this sort of shocking or at least unexpected way that may support this theory, share them, with details. I don't get out much.

Re
 

2 stories that come to mind personally was the chick who I felt every inch of her body & played tonsil hockey with on the dance floor. Her friends were looking at her with the what the fuck are you doing look. She lived far so we agreed to meet up again the next weekend. The next weekend I see her & she tells me flat out " I cant do anything because my boyfriend is here tonight" WTF LMAO!


The other story were to 2 latinas who I walked up to & started grinding 1 & the other joined in & I was all over them & felt almost every inch of them on the dance floor all night but neither would give a phone number & never saw them again!

I'll Do That !
 

Gabby Hayes from some old Western, “You can call it waltzing if you want, but to me it’s just plain hugging in public!”

A guy has to be old and have a good memory to write things like this! My wife and I both love this group. Sadly we don't get on here as often as we'd like.
Several reasons for us coming back. It's a mixture of old farts, young adults, and just plain perverts with stories of their lives. Yes, we know some are true, some are lies, some are exagerated. But most bring back memories of things my wife and I have done years ago....and yesterday. We thank everyone for this.

My wife and I are not dancers. For some reason we did used to square dance and loved it. Not exactly grinding and feeling type dancing. However my wife in her Dolly Pardon scooped blouses along with other nice little old ladies often accidently got doe-see-doed on the tits!;)
But this brought another story about some "pen-pal friends" we used to share stories and naughty photos with. This skinny little gal, Pam, told how they'd go to bars with dance floors and she wore only a mini and a tiny blouse, much the same as my non dancing wife.
Pam woulld write about dancing with strangers who put their hands down her blouse or up her skirt fingering and fondling. The amazing stories were those Pam told about getting fucked on a crowded dance floor as her husband watched. Supposedly no one else knew.
Pam went on to write about going out into the parking lots to finish the fucking.
Back in our 20's and 30's these things were not things we heard, knew about, or did! Yet i wanted to try!
We didn't believe all of Pam and Mr Pam's stories. Still as time passed and others told similar stories, my wife tried to dance and was fondled much the same ways many times.
Fucking others didn't come into her life until a few years ago but I'm sure it could have happened back then.

Doing what others do has been great for me. My wife is an exhibitionist and somehow gets other women to dress and display body parts many wouldn't normally see.
For us the seeing strangers and my sister-in-law nearly nude often happened while camped. Yes camping was our favorite thing to do and it seems in warm weather with beer flowing, semi nudity came natural in the RV or around the campfire.
Thanks again for the memories.------------- Happy Trails to You!

My wife has finally admitted to being an exhibitionist. This has lead to some pretty interesting conversations, including one that was specifically what you are talking about. In a nutshell, she uses the very popular trend of wearing yoga pants as her argument that a lot of girls are actually secret exhibitionists, at least sometimes. She says all girls know how much they are showing off if they wear yoga pants. And they originally would hide behind their use to work out. That spread to wearing them in public, and that has now spread to the widespread acceptance of wearing "leggings" in public. Leggings are thinner, and even more revealing than yoga pants. And my wife says that women definitely hide behind the idea that "everyone is wearing them" to justify wearing nearly see-through skin tight leggings in public. They know how much they are showing off, they know they are sometimes see-through in certain lighting or when they bend over, they know we love when they wear them, and they all hide behind the herd mentality while all secretly loving it.

Leading the way
 

When I was in college I discovered that I could single handedly change the course of a party just by being the first girl to take off my shirt or flash my panties or moon the room. I can't even count the number of times that I got an entire group to go skinny dipping or play strip poker just by being the first to show some skin.

And it usually didn't matter what I did after that initial flash, although sometimes a game would stall out at underwear and I would again have to lead the way usually by showing my small breasts. I think the fact that my boobs are on the small side was actually the reason it worked so well. The other girls would all think, "well my boobs are better than those" and it would give them not only an excuse to show, but also the confidence that they would look great in comparison to me.

And despite being many years past my college days, I will still get in the mood sometimes and get something fun started. My male friends used to call me the best wingman ever, and they were right.

Best Example - From NAP
 

I'm sure NAP lends itself to a lot of this kind of behavior, but this is the best example I've seen in a long time.
https://forum.oneclickchicks.com/stre...php?id=6011874

First, thanks go to #whisperchgo for an incredible job editing this clip. Captures the whole sequence brilliantly.

Twp couples show up for NAP, the girls in bikini tops and shorts, the guys in normal summer wear. Keep an eye on the blonde. She walks in with her boyfriend and while I wouldn't say she's "aloof" exactly, she doesn't seem to be there as anything but an observer, and not a particularly engaged one at that.

But then her brunette girlfriend - who is a little troublemaker :D (and damn I wish she had a big sister) - starts to flash, with her boyfriend's total encouragement and participation. Not long after that, somebody gets the blonde to lift that yellow bikini top.

And not too long after THAT, well.. I'll let you see how things unfold from there.

An all time favorite clip, mainly because it's unexpected and for exactly the reason this thread is doing so well.

fyi, The entire thread is well worth checking out:
https://forum.oneclickchicks.com/show...&highlight=nap

Just do It.
 

Jane too bad me and you couldn't been at the same parties. I was like that and still am when we go out to the right places. Some say my boobs are large. With all the altered surgeries I am not always the biggest anymore. Being larger and older did make other gals hesitate. But once I had my tits or pussy exposed the guys helped coax those gals to "do what Dollie's doing!"
You'd think places like the French Quarter and Key West among others there would be lots of flashers and topless gals. It often took little ole me and some wine to get the beads flowing.
We've had many older women thank me and tell us they've wanted to flash but just never had the nerve. We often wonder if they did it again and told their husbands.
The real hold back are those jealous husbands that look at tits but won't let their wife show hers.
Keep being first Jane. Maybe I'll be there to be second.

Hubby always tells me I have to dress to play if I want to play.
No bra no panties. Ready to play.

Brainless Dollie.

I've seen this happen in the nudist environment. My ex, for example, started out in nudism being "modest" by nudist standards: being nude but cautious about how other people saw her, and nudist "etiquette": legs or ankles crossed when sitting or lying, climbing out of the pool sideways and other methods of being "discreetly nude."
But then she saw and hung out with other female nudists that weren't quite as "modest." Before long, she started shaving. Then she started lying by the pool with her legs open. She even started socializing and talking to people with her legs open in front of them. I wasn't so concerned that her labia was now open in front of everyone, I was just curious how she went from being so "modest" to being so "open." And her answer was that "other women are doing it", so why should it a problem for her? I couldn't argue with that, but it's funny to me she put it on other women rather than admit that at the end of the day, she just got a kick from practicing nudism with her legs wide open.

You can also see this in other nudist situations. A couple of women are partying a little harder or being more comfortable naked than others. Before long some other women join them who ordinarily would never make themselves a "center of attention", much less while completely naked. And they say it's all because "other women are doing it." LOL!!

Wide open
 

My SIL and wife are the same.

Last year I saw the SIL naked for the first time at the beach. First topless then nude. It then became much more common where full nudity at beach, and then at the beach house, was acceptable. This last summer (which is sort of ending now) the nudity has moved on to, legs apart, and lying on the back with legs slightly open, but all on show.

I note that SIL is actually more comfortable open pussy when wife or other woman are not around for sake of them seeing here as sl*tty (she has this thing about naturalism being natural and not sexy) Yet when it is just her and I at the beach or on the deck she will create instances where she can flirt with her open pussy on show.

For example she will sit on on a sunbed with her legs on either side reading the paper. Her open pussy would be right there. She will read something out ensuring that I recognise she will be looking at the paper and not me, providing me ample opportunity to have a really good look.

I guess some woman are just more flirty than others and some enjoy showing the lips

I guess my wife is the same - look at my propic - it recently dawned on me she was "discretely " showing her pussy on a nude beach. Looking at her erect clitoris shows how she was aroused doing it. A normal view of her pussy never shows it unless she is aroused.

I think it's a little different for everyone. For my ex it started with seeing other women at the resort shaven and lying with their legs open; and I think in a way she became envious of their lack of "modesty." They were more free with their bodies than she was.
At first she would lay around with her legs open IF other women were doing it first. But eventually she stopped caring about who else was around or what "impression" she was making. Whereas some other women were concerned they might be perceived as "exhibitionists" if they laid with their legs open, my wife sort of "rebelled" against that concern; and decided that as long as she was minding her own business, she wasn't going to be concerned with what other people thought about her hanging around with her legs open. It wasn't that she wanted other people to see her labia; she just wanted to be able to be open and comfortable. But I do think that she felt in some way "empowered" by the fact that people could see her labia.
Other women do it too. I was sitting in the hottub at a resort once, chatting with a woman sitting on the ledge with one leg up and the other dangling in the tub. Her labia was open right in front of me. There is no doubt in my mind she felt good about herself facing me that way.

It's funny...one time we were at a get-together, and my wife befriended a newbie who was very modest. They sort of hung out together for a while; the woman got less and less shy, and lo and behold, the woman ended up laying next to my wife with her legs open. Her husband was like "WTF!" It was priceless!

So I do have a theory that women (who have the balls to do it) do feel empowered, or sexy, or seductive when they lay with their legs open and know that other people can see their labia. Of course, they will deny it, citing "other women" as the reason they're doing it.

The clothing thing and acceptance of different styles are the area that caused my wife to adopt the "everyone else is doing it" rationale. She always dressed very stylishly but conservative/preppy and scowled when she saw other women in revealing clothing in public. One Christmas she asked for a leather skirt which prompted me to but her a very nice black leather skirt that was just below the knee with a nice side slit. When she opened it she thanked me but didn't seem too excited. She later asked if I'd be offended if she exchanged it. I knew right away it was too sl*tty looking for her, which didn't surprise me. Oh well...

So within the following week she went after Christmas shopping. When she returned home I asked if she found something to she liked that she exchanged the skirt for? She replied that she liked the shirt just wanted a different style and added she picked up a few things to go with it. Well the skirt morphed into a skin tight black leather mini that barely covered her ass and the accessories included some sheer black lace top hose, black satin garter-belt and the sexiest pair of 5" stiletto fuck me pumps I've ever seen! She was pretty nonchalant about it and told me she wanted to wear them to a New Years party we were going to. She shrugged and said, I figured it's a bit different than what usually wear but it's the style. It's what all the other women are wearing".

Absolutely no complaints from me!!

^
Oh that's definitely on the agenda

We went on a dinner cruise when in Cancun, my wife had on a sexy thin blouse without a bra, but she had a vest on that went with the skirt. There were a lot of younger couples onboard, after dinner the music was loud, the drinks were flowing and inhibitions were loosening. It was a hot June night, a lot of people were dancing and men's shirts, then women's blouses started coming off. This was pre-internet days and I think people were not afraid they would end up on web page, so by the end of the night, my wife and most of the women were either topless or in a bra.

Waaay back before I met my wife, she went to a bar around Mardi Gras time with two of her girlfriends and two guy friends. She said the two friends started flashing their boobs immediately, but my wife told them there was no way she was going to flash her boobs. The two guy friends begged her, but she refused.

Near the end of the night, she didn't want to be the only prude of the friends, so not only did she start flashing, but she walked around with her top up for minutes at a time. She claims that she was careful to not let the two guy friends see anything, but I don't know how they couldn't have seen. I will let her believe it the way she tells it, though. :)

Wife
 

My wife goes shopping everytime in short skirtd & heels....supermarket-, Dr. office, 7-11 , Walgreens, etc, etc. etc... I personally have extremely rarely ever seen her in anything other then a short skirt, even around the house, including walking around the neighborhood & yard.. I've seen the neighbors reaction-- the men look, and the wives make them not look...lol
I think other women look at her and say, "other women are doing it" like this thread says....

Below is normal out and about daily routine shopping & errand attire.........

Grits, does Mrs. Grits go out much braless in public like in the white dress above? you got any recent pictures of this kind?

welee
 

Mrs. Grits here,,:),, i'm small breasted, so yes I do- and don't -wear a bra... 50/50 ?... depends on the outfit and weather. ... and I always wear panties, (if you were wondering), I wear skirts 98% of the time and I'm not putting my bare butt on anything unprotected except my bed...... Thanks for asking.. xoxo:)

Flashing with a crowd
 

My wife is never the leader -- she is the follower. It doesn't make any difference what she has shown in the past, she always waits for another woman to lead the way. I will demonstrate with some pics. The first time she went topless down "Titty Alley," she had to go with a girlfriend to show her the way. The first time she went nude in a pool at a biker rally, she went into the pool with her bikini on until another woman showed up and stripped naked before going into the pool. Then she called out to my wife, "Take that bikini off!" My wife immediately stripped off her bikini and went nude. There were probably 25 guys in the pool and only one other woman who happened to be naked, but my wife was totally comfortable so long as there was one other naked woman in the pool with her. Then a buddy of mine wanted to take some pussy shots of some of the women in our group. He asked if my wife would let him have a shot of her pussy. She replied, "Oh, no, I am not going to be the only one!" With that, he asked if another woman would allow him to take some pussy shots of this woman and my wife. The other woman readily agreed. Once she did, my wife was O.K. with it and readily posed with her. So, go figure.

So true
 

Just look at the thong swimwear and yoga pants women now wear. 25 years ago they might have gotten arrested, it certainly would have been frowned upon. They can do it now because "everybody else wears it."

I was recently on a boat cruise with women wearing bikinis. One very lovely girl's entire butt was showing; she was so curvy you couldn't even see the thong string. Nobody batted an eye, but I'm sure all the men like me were very happy.

Agreed
 

My wife is 26 and wore a thong to the beach for the first time last summer. She never considered this until it became popular and feels it’s ok since others do it. She also almost exclusively started wearing leggings the last couple years which I’m sure other men appreciate.

After some 'reluctance' , it's now what my wife does. One of the bikinis she wears is one I bought her a few years back for 'bedroom only' use. Can't believe my luck

I've seen some photos you posted of your wife with a big sexy bush, how does that go with the thong, or has she had to shave?

Interesting thread and yes absolutely my wife does this. Ten years ago you’d go to the beach and see one or two gals in a thong (at least in America, typically). And my wife might even be quick to mention the woman was seeking attention. Nowadays it’s rare to see any woman under 50 years old and even some above not wearing at least cheeky bottoms if not a full on thong. My wife included. As it became the norm, her bottoms got farther and farther up her beautiful cheeks.

Also on a smaller scale like doing something because other girls are in the moment she often doesn’t wear a bra in the mornings if our friends stay over or also after a swim. I love watching my male friends “sneak” peeks at her butt in her thong and at her tits jiggling under her shirt. All because one of her friends wasn’t once.