Originally Posted by rudolfm (Post 3431850)

Thanks for your report. I guess you now understand why I keep recommending it. And why I suggested sunday with the clothing optional going nude. On Friday and Saturday you have more younger folks in the evening, but sunday is special 😁



My favorite too. Others will prefer Vabali. I recommend if possible seeing both, or you are missing a lot.



I've already written this earlier, some trains have a connecting bus that takes you there. Station name is Kristallbad. So look for connections from HBF to Kristallbad on vbb.de . Last bus is 18:00/6pm, so if you go evenings which is better, you only have the walk back, or call a cab to the train station Ludwigsfelde.

Originally Posted by MattNL (Post 3431794)

Finally there was kristall wohlfühltherme ludwigsfelde:

Now this is a true FKK paradise! We were only able to visit on the Sunday, which sounded a bit disappointed at first, since on Sunday till 17:30 swimsuits are allowed (in the pool, sauna's are still textile-free). But this turned out to be the best thing ever! Because swimsuits aren't mandatory during this period, you'll see a lot of fully naked people walking around in between all the swimsuit covered guests. For those that are very much into CFNM/CMNF, this place is an absolute heaven. Because of this rule you also see a lot of guests that clearly aren't used to the FKK way. What is also very nice is that around 17:30 all the swimsuits have to come off. While some guests move towards the exit by this point, many others will stay. Meaning that you'll get the incredible sight of seeing someone go fully naked for their first time. We loved seeing this! The people there are also the most diverse we've ever seen (it's an FKK pool after all). It really had all ages; from families all the way to a wheelchair bound, but fully naked (and shaven!) grandma. Also a lot of families, couples, singles and groups of men or woman. So whatever you are; you'll fit right in. Because it's an FKK pool there also isn't much privacy; showers for example are just a pole right in front of a pool exit. As a result you'll be seen naked continuously by many people, and visa versa.

We've seen many amazing sights here, some notable ones include:

The wheelchair bound grandma of course. She wasn't the nicest body to look at, but if anything encompasses the FKK experience it's this one. I had to take a peek if she shaved and was surprised to see she was fully bald! She would roll around the venue, indoors and outdoors, naked in the chair, and in sauna's would slowly get up and go inside. I didn't see how she handled showers since she left early on.

A 'typical' german mom, brunette, medium length hair, around B cup tits with a little sag in them. Down below she was fully shaven with quite visible pussy lips.

Her daughter was a lovely sight; teenager, also brunette like her mom, with her hair in a ponytail. She was very fit and had somewhere between an A and B cup. Down below she had a patch of black hair. A bit thicker than a landing strip, but no triangle. It was also well trimmed.

There also was a black woman there, somewhere in her late 30s. She was fully shaven and had probably the best ass there! Very round and just overall a really nice shape. Her tits were a decent B cup, with some sag in them. They bounced a bit, but I expected bigger tits with an ass that size.

The most gorgeous girl there was a teenager, around 18 I assume. She was blonde, with a well developed body. Not fit like an athlete, but enough in just the right places. She had the classic hourglass figure with great full ass and tits. Her C cups also had practically no sag and from the side had that classic 45/55 shape. Down below she was fully shaven.

One thing that got quite the looks (by all guests there) was a family; a mom and dad in their late 40s, both fully shaven, the mom had a decent B cup, with some sag in them, but not too much) and was pretty slim/thin. Dad was a bit hairy, with a bit of a belly, but not fat or anything. He had an average package. Their daughter was a teenager, blonde, B cup that were really firm, and she was also quite thin, like her mom. By the lack of tanlines this family were maybe nudists? What made so many guests look/stare when this group walked by was the grandpa; he was old, probably in his 70s? He also wasn't the fastest walker clearly. Body wise it's about what you expect with the loose skin, quite thin and was fully shaven. But dear god, he may have had one of the largest/thickest penises that ever existed! I think this monstrosity was flaccid almost 20 cm/8 inches long, and as thick as one of those tall slim soda cans. It was big enough that he had to physically hold it before he sat down on the sauna bench! If he's a shower it's still a massive cock, but looking at the wrinkles on that thing he might grow to 10 inches or even bigger. There wasn't a grandma there; He might have split her open a long time ago with that baseball bat.

Overall we liked Kristall the most. The crowd is very diverse, they have the biggest pools, many sauna's, both indoors and outdoors, a good garden, good food/drinks (Vabali was better, but pricier), lot's of loungers to relax in, and a lot of places to look and be looked at. Although it's FKK there are many people walking around with towels wrapped, so if you don't want to walk naked continuously, you won't have to. Kristall is the furthest from Berlin though, so take that into account. From the HBF it's about 30 minute by train, with another 25 minute walk. We recommend at least 4 hours there (we stayed almost 7 hours), so you're looking at a day trip to Ludwigsfelde. We only experienced it on the Sunday, so can recommend that day. Perhaps other days might see more people walk unwrapped, but you might miss the crowd that wouldn't dare to go try their first time on a fully naked day. This also works the other way around; If you aren't used to going nude, going on Sunday can help you get comfortable on your own tempo. At 17:30 you can then decide if you want to go all the way or not. Many did :)

Originally Posted by MattNL (Post 3431809)

She's not into the whole voyeur/exhibitionism scene (although I've noticed her taking peeks), but does like the whole pampering, fancy drinks by the pool, relaxing spa day. Since you two have already done spa's before I think your best bet is probably Vabali. While it was pricy, it was a very upscale place. You can probably bring it up as a treat / romantic/relaxing couples spa day for the two of you.

Also the nudity there isn't too extreme, since most people wear robes when walking. Although be warned: If it's a very sunny day there might be a lot of disrobed people suntanning in the garden area. That might be a shock to her. As far as going naked it's no different to any other spa; naked in sauna's, and a public shower after. After that she can put the robe back on. There are pools there that are fully naked, but you're covered by water.

Something more extreme would be Kristall, but I wouldn't recommend that for her first time. It's also less of a proper spa, and more something between a pool and spa.

Originally Posted by Thick French (Post 3432170)

Very nice ! I was looking for a review or KT on sunday beacause i had to go there on a saturday few years ago and the crowd was very old.
I love the cfnm thing and the clothing optional concept bring more young people i think.
Coulis you estimate the ratio between naked and clothed people ? Is there group of girls ? Not to much foreigner clothed boys ? Thanks

Originally Posted by wownice (Post 3432205)

MattNL, totally appreciate your insights. I think the very upscale piece is what will do the trick. A romantic couples spa day just for us. I can definitely sell her on that. :)

As for your "not into voyeur/exhibitionism scene" comment, I personally find it MORE exciting (if that's possible) that my wife's not "into it" either - and frankly a little shy. The whole embarrassed nude thing just brings it up 10 notches for me, knowing anyone that sees her will have seen something very rare, reserved for me and her doctor.

If you have experience at other spas, including hotel ones, I'd love to hear it.

Originally Posted by MattNL (Post 3430413)

They now have bouncers in front of the entrance... a few single guys got turned away.

Originally Posted by lilslip33 (Post 3432574)

Why do you think those single guys got denied, was it their race or how they dressed or something else?

Originally Posted by MattNL (Post 3432604)

I don't know if it's a race or clothes thing. I think they just want to keep the clientele inside a bit more high class. Looking at the crowd inside it wouldn't surprise me if they were a bit racist in their door policy.

Originally Posted by rudolfm (Post 3432744)

It is not racist. In Germany there are many problems with men from Islamic countries. It is a cultural problem.

Originally Posted by lilslip33 (Post 3432800)

Would showing a USA or UK passport help, say for a middle-eastern looking guy to show he’s not actually from an Islamic country. What other tips are recommended if he’s going by himself?

Originally Posted by lilslip33 (Post 3432800)

Would showing a USA or UK passport help, say for a middle-eastern looking guy to show he’s not actually from an Islamic country. What other tips are recommended if he’s going by himself?

Originally Posted by Grec (Post 3432853)

If it's V in Berlin you're talking about just book early slots in the morning when it opens, no queue, no bodyguard.

Originally Posted by rudolfm (Post 3432744)

It is not racist. ... problems with men from Islamic countries ... cultural ... women who are lightly clothed or nude as fair game for respectless behavior and sexual assaults. These men need to be kept out of Saunas or the place will go down the drain. One big Sauna (Blubb) even had to close because of the women weren't safe. ... If the men have a woman with them, they uaually are let in and behave.

Originally Posted by MattNL (Post 3430413)

Important for the single guys; They now have bouncers in front of the entrance. As a couple we got in without any troubles (they only asked if we reserved, which we did), but a few single guys got turned away.

Originally Posted by GioG (Post 3433884)

A nude only Sauna i used to visit a lot in the past. Three walls wood, front wall with glass. I was already a few minutes inside, when two girls around 20 entered. Both long, dark hair. Quite skinny. Speaking italian, I suppose tourists. They both wore the white bathrobes the place lets people rent in the Sauna... Never seen this before. When an attendent walked by and saw the two girls, he came inside, and asked them if they can lower the top, just to make sure they wouldn't wear swimsuit underneath. Which they obviously did. He asked them to immediately step outside. I saw him point them towards the exit. They stood in the hallway and discussed. The attendent kept standing there, looking at them in a very bossy way. Was quite funny because at one point one of the girls hung the bathrobe on the hook at the wall and started to first remove her bikini bottoms, then pulling the knot open on the back of her bikini. The guy still stood there. She must have felt embarassed, because she put her arms infront of her breast. (huge difference in skin color - tan /non tanned skin. She turned towards her friend and talked to her. The other, still dressed girl was chewing her nails, looking unsure, scared, shy... Thats when the guy walked away. Second girl, took a heart and quickly got out of her bikini and back they came. Unfortunately they sat down in such a way I only got a peek of their bare asses... But the undressing scene itself was gold.

Originally Posted by jackrabbit11 (Post 3434026)

I have already bought flights and hotel in order to visit V in November. I did the same trip last year without any problems. However, this new info made me cautious because I might not even get in! I have read this also elsewhere so it seems that people really are being rejected. I am also planning to visit K but denying access to V would definitely ruin my trip.

Originally Posted by outdoorl0vers (Post 3344477)

Yeah I know those Videos, unfortunately I don't know where they were made.
But a lot of Spas in Germany/Austria feature those big nude pools.
I never heard of any voyeur being caught filming. There was only this story of a couple trying to film porn and they got caught.

I always try to sit in a spot where you can see people exiting the pool, in the relaxing areas most people are covered up, the saunas are dimmly lit but at the pool exit you can see them in full glory. There are really a huge amount of young beautiful girls in that spa areas.

In those pools there is also a lot of spicy stuff going on. In the evening when there are fewer people and it get's dark and steamy mostly couples frequent these pools.
Some might only be kissing and hugging but there is also a lot of more or less discrete fucking.
My wife and I love to fuck in the pool with other couples close to us. But from the surface you can hardly see anything, you can only guess by the motions and faces.

I would love to see some good videos of couples fucking in sauna pools but unforunately the ones I found online are of very poor quality.

Originally Posted by GioG (Post 3433884)

A nude only Sauna i used to visit a lot in the past. Three walls wood, front wall with glass. I was already a few minutes inside, when two girls around 20 entered. Both long, dark hair. Quite skinny. Speaking italian, I suppose tourists. They both wore the white bathrobes the place lets people rent in the Sauna... Never seen this before. When an attendent walked by and saw the two girls, he came inside, and asked them if they can lower the top, just to make sure they wouldn't wear swimsuit underneath. Which they obviously did. He asked them to immediately step outside. I saw him point them towards the exit. They stood in the hallway and discussed. The attendent kept standing there, looking at them in a very bossy way. Was quite funny because at one point one of the girls hung the bathrobe on the hook at the wall and started to first remove her bikini bottoms, then pulling the knot open on the back of her bikini. The guy still stood there. She must have felt embarassed, because she put her arms infront of her breast. (huge difference in skin color - tan /non tanned skin. She turned towards her friend and talked to her. The other, still dressed girl was chewing her nails, looking unsure, scared, shy... Thats when the guy walked away. Second girl, took a heart and quickly got out of her bikini and back they came. Unfortunately they sat down in such a way I only got a peek of their bare asses... But the undressing scene itself was gold.

Originally Posted by rudolfm (Post 3459043)

It is good that these rules are enforced. Else the saunas would be full of oriental men with boners in their swimsuits staring down nude women.

Originally Posted by rudolfm (Post 3459043)

Else the saunas would be full of oriental men with boners in their swimsuits staring down nude women.

Originally Posted by GioG (Post 3461564)

I sometimes visit a hotel's spa area, it's not a clothing optional place, but nude only. I happen to be in the small sauna one afternoon, when an arab looking guy entered wearing his bottoms with his girlfriend in a bath robe. Oh great I thought.
Yet after pausing a few instances, she let her robe glide down, and contrary to her guy, she was fully naked, fully shaved, with made tits, lips made too and wearing a lot of make up. Was a funny scenery, even though I didn't much enjoy their sight.