Thank you for the information. It is very helpful. If we could go on Friday it would have to be day time. Is there a good time during the day we should aim for? I definitely wanna see some young, for, blond dutch women and I'm sure the wife will enjoy the men as well.

The real deal around Berlin is the Kristalltherme. 45 min. by public transport from Central Station "Hauptbahnhof" to the door "Kristallbad", 4€fare. Over 20 saunas indoor and outdoor, nude everywhere. Cheap hotels nearby. A bar in the pool for drinking among nude folks, I love it. CO on Wednesday and Sunday till 17:30 if you like CFNM. Nice Restaurant. Nobody asking to wear a robe. Much more relaxed than VB.
(Just to understand Germany, it is fully relaxed nudity but no jerking, touching or cameras)
The pictures here include bathings suits for commercial reasons, suits are not allowed except for posted CO times (Wednesday and Sunday till 17:30)
https://kristall-therme-ludwigsfelde.de/

Your wife will not be disapointed, the dutch men has the biggest penis size in Europe and almost in the world. https://www.worlddata.info/average-penissize.php

anyone been to the 'health spa' in brighton (kemp town area, ear to nudie beach), recently?

(btw, I consider UK as still being European!!)

Have read very mixed reviews.. only thought of it, as handy way to clean off salty water / suncream, after the beach!

The later the better. Inhibitions drop with time and alcohol.

That brings up another question. Is there a bar inside the spa that serves alcohol?

Good to know. She does like to check out other guy's dicks.

In my experience, it is commonplace for dutch and german wellness centers to have a restaurant that serves small bites, salads, entrees, beer and wine. Mixed drinks are less common but not unusual. Zuiver serves alcohol and while no one was sitting around getting drunk I did notice that as the day got later people of both genders were less inhibited. I don't mean to suggest that by sundown the place turned into a porn movie or a gynecological exam. Rather, people who earlier in the day would use a robe whenever they were not in water, steam, or sauna now seemed to be more comfortable standing around in the nude or walking from station to station with towel in hand instead of wrapped in it. Whether this was my imagination (possible, but my wife noticed it too), the alcohol, the comfort that comes with hours spent together in mostly undress, or some combination thereof it is hard to say. I just know that my experience at Zuiver started out as heavenly and somehow only got better. I am going back in October so I will happily report back on whether the place can live up to my first experience.

FWIW, the American couple we were traveling with went to Beemster and had equally great things to say about it. I just think that Zuiver and Deco both being in Amsterdam likely attract a consistently younger clientele, but that's just speculation on my part.

Turkish bath
 

It must be at least 25 years ago when me and the Mrs went to Turkey every summer.
We'd heard about proper Turkish baths, and decided to do one(our first one) halfway through the holiday, to get rid of all the dead skin. The hotel we were staying in had it's own Turkish bath, so this year we booked our first Turkish bath, with the masseur as well.
It was down in the basement, and you had to book your slot. So it wasn't a wander in/free for all arrangement.
Anyway we are sitting outside waiting, and the masseur appeared. He was a fairly young guy, and quite tall. We went in, and he started soaping up the cloth as the room got hotter. I went first, soaped up, then exfoliated then washed over with clear water. Then the massage, with some oils.
He clicked my neck, like all Turkish barbers do. I felt very relaxed after.
He beckoned to my Mrs, and she got up and walked towards him. To my astonishment she asked if she should take her bikini top off.
He said if she was OK doing so, then yes. She unclipped and removed her bikini top, and lay down on the hot marble.
He soaped her up, her entire body. Watching a total stranger soap my Mrs tits was very errotic. He then did the exfoliation, again including her exposed breasts. She turned over onto her stomach and he did her back and rear. He pulled the bikini briefs down slightly and exfoliated her again. As he did so the bikini bottoms edged further down and exposed more of her bare bum.
Next, the massage. She remained on her front for that, and he squirted some oils in his hand and began massaging her.
He had a towel wrapped around his waist, and I had no idea if he had briefs on underneath. I was now looking to see if was getting excited, I couldn't see evidence of an errection.
Anyway he worked her over very thoroughly, each leg, calves, hamstrings etc. Her back as well, again rolling her bikini bottoms down to expose maximum flesh.
To my surprise she reached down, and pulled them down further so her bum was completely exposed.
He massaged her shoulders, arms, back, and bare bum. I just sat there, viewing it and asked her if she was relaxed "very" was her reply. When he eventually stopped he said to turn over, so she flipped over. Her bikini bottom was still rolled down so her bare bum was now on the hot marble surface, which didn't seem to bother her.
He began massaging her front. It might have been my imagination but he seemed to spend a lot of time massaging her breasts. Her stomach got a bit of attention.
I noticed her pubes were poking out of her bikini briefs, and as he massaged away at her hips and thighs even more became visible.
He clicked and rolled her neck, then fingers. And that was it.
We sat outside, relaxed and drank cold water as he cleaned up the bath area.
Best £40 I've ever spent, I gave him a decent tip as well.

Is it common that the husband can watch the wife be treated in a Turkish bath? I thought users were segregated by gender.

If it's common, I should be making a pitch to visit!