90% of sauna wellness resort in Netherlands and north of Belgium everything is mixed and naked (changing room, shower, saunas)

Vabali
 

Probably most things have been covered in this thread before.

Nice day at Vabali this spring weekend. A lot of people, perhaps 3-400, but didn’t feel crowded. 2/3 female.

Wide age range with probably as many people in their 20s and 30s as 40 and above. It was basically couples and female groups.

The best part of course is the aufguss ceremony. These are usually 10-12 min with a series of 3 scented infusions. The saunas can hold anywhere from 10-60 people. After the ceremony is the best time when everyone goes outside, takes a shower in the communal showers or takes a cold plunge. And take their time drying off and putting their robes back on. The nude pool and smaller warm pools are also nice.

There are loungers for sunbathing on the deck and in the yard. About 1/3 of people are sunbathing nude. Very calm and chill atmosphere overall.

The changing rooms are mixed, but so large that you likely won’t be undressing near anyone. And the initial showers are single gender.

I wasn’t keeping track but about even amount of trimmed vs shaved. There were maybe only one or two older teens. One with her mother and she was quite shy in comparison to her mother. A group of three young Asians, thin, in good shape and not shy.

It would nice if the saunas were just a bit lighter!

But overall a great place to relax and see many many nude chicks!

The lighting at V is why I don’t enjoy it as much as, say, Kristall.

Compared to Z in A, how did you find the lighting in the Saunas? As dark as at V or lighter?

Did the Asians have bushes, and did they seem like naturalised locals, or true foreigners?

Lighting…
 

Never been to Z or Kristall. Overall it was pretty dark except for a couple of places by the windows.

I had hoped to visit Kristall but it was going to be about 90 minutes to get there so I passed.

Regarding the Asians, I didn’t hear them speak so I can’t guess if they were local. I’m guessing they weren’t. Two were shaved and one had a bikini trim…

Yes lighting in V is why I don't rate it as highly as others

Berlin Central Station (Hauptbahnhof) to Kristall if 45 min. by either train or cab. Train costs €4.40, cab around €50 each way.
Public transport is clean and safe in Germany. For connections look here:
https://www.vbb.de/en/
Destination is "Kristallbad", you can enter your address of stay, or a station like "Hauptbahnhof" as start.

Kristall is south of Berlin like the airport. Airport, Kristall and Berlin City are a triangle. So if you arrive appropriately, you could take the train or cab from airport to Kristall, then go to your hotel afterwards. Airport station name is "BER". Cab is 30 min., train 30-60 min.

Elysium (NL)
 

in The Netherlands, north of Rotterdam, Elysium is huge, mixed, a lot of aged 25-70, specially weekends

Thank you for using the actual name of the spa. Sometimes it's hard to decipher what the poster means when they only use initials. eg. E in A or something similar seems to a popular abbreviation.

In Germany, you will find separate showers for initial cleaning and (many) mixed showers for after coming out of a sauna.

Afternoon in Therme
 

I spent an afternoon in a larger therme. The nude area, accessible from age 16, had one steam bath, one sanarium and about 10-15 Sauna cabins with aufguss sessions every 15-25 minutes, great thing was the nude indoor swimmingpool with a bar you could swim to.... For cooling after sauna there were ice cold waterfall showers, ice cold plunge pools and some kneip basins. And two ares with mixed sex showers. On a sunday afternoon the place was packed with couples, girlfriends, some boy groups and lone man and femals.

First Sauna was a bit dark. I sat next to two lesbian girls, both a bit chubby, both dark haired, lots of tatoos, one had her nipple pierced and a wild bush. Other girl fully shaved. On her back, legs pressed together, yet the nice slit between her legs, venus hill all nicely on display.
After about 5 minutes they left. Funny thing was, one girl took her towel around the neck, as to cover tits and walked around bottomless. Looked quite hot. Soon a mom with two girls joined. Mother approaching 50 was well kept. Daughters, around 20, both stunning, with full breast (C). I had to turn my head, to get a good eye full, which I didn't do too often. After some time I left for showers.
After some relaxation I chose a well lit, lower temperature Sauna. I positioned myself on the top row, (not too much heat). A 40something woman left, as I entered, there were only two older men left. Soon after the door opened, an the mother with daughters joined. They positioned themselves a row of benches below myself. Mother and older daugther (maybe 20) lay down. I had her pussy righ infront of my eyes. 3 days old shave, nice pussy lips between her legs. Sometimes she opened her legs a bit more, then she held them closer together again. Her breast were well formed. Sometimes she let her hands glide over them, dispersing sweat. She kept her eyes closed. Mother I could not see too well, also she held her legs to cover her pube. Other, bit younger daughter sat on the side. Legs curled, making sure, not to show pussy, holding the towel wrapped around her hips. But she remained barebreasted throughout. She was also looking around a bit. I leaned against the bench, with my legs open. When I looked towards her, she quickly looked away from my privates, which I made sure to be a bit visible to the ladies. Whenever I 'caugth" her looking, she turned her head away, stared at the wall, started to fumble with her long blond hair and did some back stretching, and turning. All in all, a great show of breast profiles...

... Hope I can come back and edit to write a bit more...

Interesting difference I noticed this trip
 

For context, I've been going to T.E in Munich for 10+ years on average 4-5 times a year as I pass through on business travel, and I also started going to V in Berlin about 3 years ago, also 3-4 times per year. I'm a big fan of both and try and craft my travel around making time for a stop.

Last week, I had a down day in Berlin and was able to fit in a visit to V as well as Liq., which was new for me.

In all the trips I've made to any of the German spas, it has easily been 90%+ of the women were completely shaved bare. On this trip though, it was the complete opposite - 90%+ had some amount of bush, anywhere from a patch/landing strip to full on natural.

I had gone to Liq first, so I assumed maybe it was unique to there as it was my first visit, but when I was at V later in the day, it was the same.

Personally, its a preference vs totally bald, but more so it was a fascinating difference as was so starkly the opposite.

I'm looking forward to another trip soon because, any data set needs to be confirmed and correlated of course! I'm curious what other's observations have been recently as well as theories.

It's in season
 

The shaven look is more prevalent in the spring, summer and autumn. During winter some ladies let it grow out as being seen naked is not necessarily on the schedule.

The other factor is that with backpackers and travellers it is not always easy to shave fully when you are staying in hostels etc. The showers can be on a timer or shared, so you don't have time to shave beyond the legs.

Hence the ratio to shaved/unshaved differs as per the season.

German hotel…
 

Beside the pool there were two doors, a sunroom with 4 loungers, a sauna with two open showers at one end and a steam room at the other.

I visited 3 or 4 times during my stay. I was surprised to see most visitors, male and female wearing bathing suits in the sauna. A 30ish couple came in with only towels but she kept covered. Some others were in towels and showered off visible in the showers if you passed at the right time. Of course it was nice to be able to undress in front of these women and enter the sauna naked, shower naked and even lay on the sunbeds partially exposed with only a towel.

The sign said textile free, but it seemed even that it was mostly German it was about 80% textile…

Totally agree on the seasonality, but I've never seen it swing from 10%->90% and these definitely were not backpackers, it was the traditional mainly Berlin based crowd.

Anyone had a similar experience? On a ski holiday the hotel had a small spa with just sauna, steam room, shower and some beds. First visit, a couple and lone female were naked. Second visit had the place to ourselves apart from a nude bloke for some of it. Third visit, empty again and just me enjoying the steam room when a group of fellow brits came in clothed. Didn't want to just walk out so had to sit there for a few minutes then walk right past them. Was definitely being checked out :-) and kept seeing them through the week.

In small spas in German hotels they will usually let people wear what they want unless somebody complains. In bigger spas the rukes are enforced.

I've been curious. For the countries with mixed nude sauna culture, do local/small celebrities (like let's say a local radio host or something like that) go to public sauna at all? Or is the nudity becoming taboo the moment they are public figure?

As nobody knows what a local radio host looks like, they will.
Minor television celebrities might go as Well, major celebrities only if they're comfortable with nudity.

Yes, throughout the years I have seen many male and female celebrities nude, but I never brag about it.

Everyone should be discreet.

In Germany, taking pics in a sauna is a criminal offense. So people don't worry that much, no reporter could sell those pics.

Sauna encounters
 

It's always amusing if people who know each other meet by accident in a sauna. I once run across something that sounded like a former (female) student / teacher encounter. Or office workers.
But then you encounter teams who have a mixed sex sauna outing without any embarassment...

In the fall, my wife and I are planning to go to Z in A. Can't wait. Last time we went it was fantastic.

We'll have another day in A and we're trying to figure out another spa for the other day. She really likes high-end, and I'm all for making her happy - money is not an issue when there are naked women walking around and I get to be naked with them.

So anyone have a good recommendation for a high-end spa somewhere near A (we don't mind biking or taking mass transit or cabbing to somewhere outside of town) that would be on the fancy side, and would have great services? Food is less important, and women are most definitely important. Bonus would be a place that's good in cooler weather in case it's a colder day.

We've look at F B north of town - can't really tell how nice that would be . . . but that's our fallback, so if anyone has been, please post or message me with your experience.

Thanks for any help!

High end wellness
 

try the wellness center in Maarsen

Sauna Deco !!!
 

Sauna Deco is small but intensely stylish place

/KG

Question to the guys who have been going for years to these saunas.

Does the novelty ever wear off?

The first time won't repeat itself. But it never gets boring. At least in the big ones, you will always see lots of new ladies.

Yes, if you go there purely hunting pussy you will end up being disappointed and if you are hunting too hard you will end up being thrown out.

So we just enjoy these wonderful facilities, so even if nothing special happens, we are still happy.:)

FRB just north of A is lovely. It`s about an hour by bike. We rented bikes in A and rode out there and had arranged in advance for our downtown hotel to pick us up in their hotel van so that we didn't have to bike back after being fully relaxed and didn't need to leave early for fear of biking at dusk/night. We found FRB to be more luxurious than Z and to have better food than Z. We found Z to have a somewhat younger, fitter clientele. But this is based on only 2 visits to Z and 1 to FRB so your mileage may vary.

I try to get to a sauna every time I make it over to Germany, and no, the novelty of seeing lots of women totally nude doesn't wear off. Whether it's seeing the latest trends in pubic hair styling, seeing a girl who is especially cute, etc, there's always something interesting.

Z in A?
 

Z in A isn't in Germany at all, but Spa Z&u&iv&er in A&ms&terd&am...?

I do keep thinking this is the place - being able to bike there is pretty nice. I don't think we'd mind biking in the dark, but I do see that biking after relaxation isn't perfect.

Thanks!

Novelty Factor
 

It's not the going there that's novel, its the new ladies, a gift that keeps giving...

Some girls you see for years, every week. Others you see from time to time. Then they suddenly vanish, without giving you the chance to wish them goodbye...

recent regular additions:
- a slender, tall blond 25y girl. slightly eco, from what she wears during workout. Also she brings a cotton bag to the wellness area, with books, she looks kinda nerdy. I was disappointed to see, she had no bush...
- a sporty, not skinny but very fit 30 something women. She was suddenly there, almost every day. She spends hours in the sauna. brown hair, semi long. Nice everything, her breast, figure. She typically gives me the "seen you before" nod.
- black, also fit and sporty girl. put her around 20. She only goes to the Sauna when working out without her friend. First time I saw her, she was across the Sauna, on her back, legs pressed together, and she held her hands over her breast. I sat, open legs from time to time. At one point she got up and sat in a similar open position, but kept her knees before her breast.... After a few minutes, she lay down again, on her back, but now her hands rested on her stomach. Her nipples pointed upwards, like towers...
- youngish, petite, bit chubby italian looking girl, little more than 20 years. Long, curly black hair. Saw her regularly visting the Sauna with two guys her own age. Always was impressed with her sitting totally relaxed with these two guys, naked, uninhibited... Last winter I saw her again from time to time, but alone. She wears her pubic hair trimmed to a little black mustache above her pussy lips. I often see her in a well lit Sauna, she usually lies down on her back on the bottom benche, on her back, uncovered and closes her eyes. I also like it, when she sits up, and I can look at her wonderful, full breast from the side / behind. Whenever she sits, she combs her hair with her hand, and the brest juggle nicely...

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- two female friends, around 30 - skinny brunettes to black haired, hard to tell because of the light. They were having a chat. Always good, it gives you a chance to look at them when they talk... both sat on the top row, facing each other, legs appart and open. Got some tit and pussy glimpses from time to time.
- a single 35-40 year old true exhibitionist. Saw her in the sauna at aufguss, nothing spectacular, kinda covered. Then came across her in the relax area... people typically cover up. Not this woman. She was on her back, her legs apart and fully open, right behind the water fountain. Anyone getting a cold water could enjoy the view of an open, spread pussy....

Biggest pussy ever seen II
 

I was in spa the first sunny and warm day this year.

Everybody just let everything hang out😊
It was this couple around 35, both tall and very voluminous.
The woman was blond with half-long hair, very big breasts
They were changing sunbeds many times during the day always in quite exposed places. Both had always the legs open.

Most of the time you would just see a long crack on the woman. She was aware that she got attention and smiled to me a few times when I was walking by.
But one time they laid down some meters away from me, I was first not aware because my eyes was closed. When I opened my eyes, I could see that she had the feet up and the legs as open as possible. The crack was so long and now in the lower part of the pussy the inner labia lips was beautifully flipped two sides. The pussy was quite open. It’s the biggest pussy I every the seen.
She was positioned in a way that eye contact was not possible.

Unless your cock is record size big it’s no chance of filling it up.

Therme E or Spa Z?
 

Hi friends

I will be travelling again in August and have the choice of routing my flight either via Munich or Amsterdam.

I did Berlin a few months ago and really liked both Vab and Krist Th.

I did Amsterdam a couple of years ago and Spa Z was really great - especially on a warm sunny day.

Wanted to get advice from the experts here on whether I should head back to Spa Z again or should I try Therme E this time.

Any strong views on which is better?

Cheers

You've seen Berlin and Amsterdam, so go see Munich!
TE is the far biggest you can see, don't miss that.

How was krist? Haven't been there!

New page
 

Do you think that this page should maybe be split in 2,
One for actually experiences and a second one for people to ask for advice on places?

It could be if people don't get back on track and remember this is the "Erotic Stories" section.

Thanks Rudolf

Sharing my experience from Krist therm Berlin - had a great time but different to Vabali. On the negative on Krist versus Vab - Krist has a wider age group of people and less proportion of hot young girls unlike Vab which can have several hot young girls in the same place. On the positive - Krist has a lot more casual continuous nudity in bright sunlight - a real nudist vibe at times which is very different to Vabali where most people cover up quickly between saunas and you get a good look only while waiting for the showers after sauna.

My favourite memory at Krist therm - I was having lunch at a table close to the pool. A blonde lady in her early thirties watches her toddler playing with a toy right in front of my table. She is completely naked. The sun is shining brightly and it is broad daylight. She is slim with nice round b size breasts and a delightful jiggly ass. Shaven pussy with a slight stubble. She was with her toddler in front of my table for close to an hour. Completely naked standing watching him, bending over to help him, sitting cross legged on the floor with him for some time. Fully naked in broad daylight for nearly an hour barely a few feet from me. She knew I was watching discreetly but she just didn't seem to care and no one batted an eyelid at her since quite a few people wander around naked continuously without their towels or robes. I chewed my lunch as slowly as possible and then had dessert and then a coffee. Didn't taste anything but still the best lunch of my life 😋 .

If I went back to berlin I would definitely do both Vab and Kristal