If you mean Sauna Deco, it doesn't seem to matter.

Weekend mornings seem to attract family groups. Weekday afternoons you get people skipping off work and 'ladies who lunch' popping in.

Quite apart from the female attractions, it's a beautiful place which you could easily walk past without noticing. Check it out.

While I'm on. Does anyone remember the Kosmos Centre in A'dam? A kinda new age store with bookshop, vegan restaurant exercise rooms for yoga etc and a sauna in the basement. It attracted a younger, fitter crowd. Much missed :(

Elysium just outside Rotterdam
 

Hello there

Look here: elysium.nl

Outstanding place close to Rotterdam. Good to visit at any time.


Best regards

/KG

Oct 2015 - Sauna Van Egmond - How to get Kicked Out!
 

After reading several posts, I wanted to share my experience at Sauna Van Egmond. This was my first time in a nude coed sauna... and I should also mention that I'm an American male in his late 20's. Let me share the basics:

- Went on a Monday evening in Oct 2015, I expected few people but found a surprisingly large amount of people (not a bad thing), maybe just an anomaly for a Monday

- I'd read that most saunas have age ranges all over. I would say I didn't see anyone older than mid 40's. A majority of the people were in their 20's-30's, perhaps a ratio of 60:40 Women/Men.

- Most everyone there comes with a group of friends or happens to be a couple. It gets kind of lonely/isolating feeling if you go alone (as I did). Only knowing English didn't help, but people were polite/friendly.

*** Okay, here's the biggest difference I experienced. As an average American red-blooded male, I've just been conditioned to associate nudity with sex. Not something I can really control. Well, I researched before I went about what the etiquette is if you get an erection. The general response on forums is, "Don't worry, you won't get one", not helpful advice or even "advice".***

- So, within minutes of entering the facility, I saw at least a dozen (attractive) college-aged girls, nude of course. I immediately averted my eyes, but I already had a full-on erection. I immediately covered myself with the towel, but at least 20 people probably saw me at full mast before I could cover.

- The girls walked by (probably knowing they had some part in the matter) but were smiling and clearly not taking offense *phew*. A dutch couple in their 30's who'd seen me and chatted friendly with me. They said, "We bet you're American, aren't you", we all laughed. They assured me that these things "come up" once in a while and it is okay/accepted. After all, I wasn't a creepy gawker. They recommended a dip in the cold pool, which helped.

*** Just when I thought I was relaxing 20 minutes later, I saw more young attractive girls and the same thing happened. I covered up and cold-pooled it. Another 30ish minutes later, it happened again. *To reiterate, I was NOT gawking or fantasizing about anyone*.

**I ended up staying there for about 5-6 hours since I couldn't relax and enjoy myself until the problem was solved. After the 3rd erection, I just stopped wrapping a towel around me since everyone had seen it by now. I would just go to the ice pool each time. Choose to believe this or not, but over a 4-hour period, I had had about nine erections. No one really said anything to me about it because I hope/assume they knew it wasn't intentional and moreover that I was ice-bathing each time.

**I do wonder if most women there were offended, flattered, or just neutral about my overactive American sex drive. Anyway, by the 4-hour mark, a member of the staff wanted to speak to me. He very politely said that he'd "noticed me getting overly excited and that it might make others uncomfortable". I'm not sure if anyone had complained to him about me or whether he wanted to intervene before someone may complain. He politely suggested that I come back another day/time and offered me a refund.

I told him that I was leaving Netherlands tomorrow and that I couldn't come back another day. My plan was to wait for more young women to eventually leave as the evening went on, so I could actually enjoy the experience! But irregardless, in more polite wording, he still asked me to leave. =(

**So... yes, (albeit under very unusual circumstances) this is how to get kicked out of a nude coed sauna without ever gawking or making a pass at anyone.** I do wonder if this a bigger problem with younger American males like myself than any other demographic.

So, was my experience good? I'd say 'yes'. If nothing else, it gave me a story to tell. I'm sure my eyes were heavily thanking me for the experience. It sucks that I didn't get the full experience during my one chance there. I still don't know how I feel about getting *politely* kicked out. Whether or not the gentleman thought I was trying to "will myself" to get aroused somehow, I took the appropriate measure each time to fix it.

Surely most adults, male and female from any country must know that these things are involuntary. Was it justifiable to be asked to leave? Thoughts?

You should have rubbed one out before you went there. Of course, when I was twenty, I would have been ready to go again in half an hour, but it might have helped some.

Honestly erection is almost never seen in Dutch saunas and people would not like it.
Especially if it's a lone male.
Saunas are considered "non sexual" in the Netherlands and people go there to relax. Of course men enjoy seeing attractive women naked and women enjoy looking at attractive men but it is always extremely discreet.

Or as an alternative to the cold pool, a visit to a cabin in the men's room to follow SandyM's suggestion. I'm guessing one erection would have been forgiven. But the number you had would tend to suggest pervert, even if you were, as you claim, totally innocent and I'm not surprised you were asked to leave. Still I'm glad you got a flavour of the EuroSauna experience and will be better prepared next time for it.

Having visited saunas in the Leiden area I would say an occasional stiffy or semi-wood would be overlooked by the majority but to have a boner for the length of time that you had and not really hide it would probably upset a large proportion of the people trying to simply have a relaxing time...

@Amoxy, being as you said... a young red-blooded American with nudity/sex conditioning - it IS something you can learn to change, over time and with experience.

After-all, you can get an erection while fully clothed as well as some sexy woman who say's she's "suck you dry", right? But yeah, in America - we have hangups about nudity and sex. We're born nude and conceived through sex.

I'm sure it was in one of the threads that I first read, If God had wanted us to walk around naked, we would have been born ... oh, wait a moment ... which I think sums it all up.

Sauna
 

I have a little experience for you that may explain the psyche of the sauna spas

A past girlfriend of mine had a german university girl friend who was particularly attractive (a solid 10). I would always hope that I would catch her in the buff when we would stay with her. We had a few beach trips to France together, but they were with family and her top always stayed on. She did catch me a few times taking a longer look than I should have, but I guess she was always the subject of long stares.

One day the girls decided to visit a spa in Germany and insisted that I should go with them.

I spent 4 hours with them and she was totally naked all the time. It was a perfectly sanctioned free pass to admired her perfect body, firm tits, and shaven sn*tch. Of course she knew I was enjoying the sight, but what is more important is that she enjoyed showing off to me in a totally non threatening, non sexual way.

I think this might have been what got you thrown out. Erections can happen, but I think it's what you do with it that can make the difference. If you hide it with a towel and get to the ice pool, people understand you aren't trying to stay erect. If you flaunt it walking around, people probably think it's deliberate and start to feel uncomfortable.

It's might be difficult to believe for those who haven't experienced it, but it is possible to around many beautiful naked women and not find it arousing and sexual. It's certainly an amazing sight though and it does lead to sweet dreams afterwards :)

lol, my wife would love to see a handsome man walking with a stiff one! Just for the sight of it, not to play with it (unfortunately)

True
 

My wife is the same way. In fact, years ago I bought her a subscription to Playgirl Magazine but she rarely picked it up. She said the soft cocks just didn't interest her. Later, she stumbled upon an underground magazine she did like. It was one that catered to gay men and was full of pics of guys at full mast. She couldn't put that one down!

She acts the same way to me... If I walk by her naked from the shower to the bedroom, she'll barely look up. But if she notices me with a hardon (even if I'm fully clothed) she will rarely leave it alone! :D Mornings (with the unavoidable morning wood) can sometimes be interesting at our house! :eek:

Sauna in the Netherlands - Rotterdam, Amsterdam
 

I went to the Netherlands this summer, and visited a couple of saunas.

First in Rotterdam, I went to Thermen Holiday, near Schiedam. It was ok, a large garden with saunas plus a main swimming pool with saunas. The drawback is that the area is so large that there wasn't a very high density of "sights" :). This was on a weekday. I also got really scolded by a woman for having followed her (I didn't, not really, but I were going from sauna to sauna looking for an occupied one, and ended up entering one with two girls that I had previously shared a hot-tub with). I have the impression that Sauna Elysium would have been a better choice, but it wasn't easy to reach with public transport.

Then I went to Sauna Art Deco in Amsterdam. My timing was awful, I guess, as I went there on a saturday evening, and there were almost nobody there. The only attractive woman I saw was in a towel and leaving from her massage. I guess its a good sauna when there are people there, as it is pretty nice and compact. Its reputation probably gives it a fair share of curious tourists too.

Then I went to Sauna Van Egmond in Harlem, and spent the Sunday there - from 11 to 11 :). Brilliant. Both a very nice place - beautiful sauna, good restaurant, nice movieroom. Also, it was pretty compact, easy to meet people (only sauna where I really ended up talking to people) and of course you got up close and personal with beautiful women. Nice. By far my favourite.

Finally I went to Thermen La Mer. Also pretty good - outside of Amsterdam in Almere. Again the "drawback" is that it has a large, outdoor area which spreads the visitors out, but there were plenty of aufgusss that drew people together, so it worked out better than Thermen Holiday in Rotterdam.

First time in the sauna
 

I also went to the Thermen Holiday. It is really weird that they have some cameras in the lockers room for security reasons... I have been there several times. I usually go with a friend, he is from a Baltic country and he invited me the first time because his girlfriend at that time, couldn't go and he had bought the tickets before.

My first experience was a little bit embarrassing, we arrived, got naked, took a shower and entered to the steam sauna. It was really dark and I didn't saw anything haha... I didnt know where to sit and my friend guided me, because it was also very crowded. After that, we took a shower and went to the main big pool. In the pool I sat close to the entrance and I saw a lot of beautiful women getting naked in front of me (as some people had said before this is the best spot). All the people get nude before entering the pool. So I got an erection, I was totally hard but I was in the pool so nobody realized my level of excitement. I waited sometime in the pool until it went down. I really wanted to enjoy the experience, relax and see beautiful women. So I went to the bathroom and rubbed one out haha... It was really needed.

After that, I looked for my friend and he was in a smaller pool talking to a group of very hot girls. So I joined them, we were talking all nude for about 10 minutes. The chicks were really friendly but they left the place very soon. Next, we went outside in the garden, I noticed that many girls and women saw us since we took our towel but we didn't covered haha (we like to show off). To be honest I think that most of them were seeing my friend since he is addicted to the gym, tall and.... yes I have to said well endowed (I am a thin, normal guy who goes to the gym 2 times per week).

So for all this attention, my friend got a semi haha, but it was ok, some girls just laughed a nobody say anything. We entered to the tub and two beautiful girls entered also hahaha it was fun. Both girls were really beautiful, blonde, blue eyes, beautiful tits, and complete shaved. One girl was a solid 10 the other one an 8. Obviously they wanted to talk with my friend. My friend who had some problems with her then girlfriend, choose the 10 girl and I got the 8 girl, we talked with them and we realized that they were really horny... so the footplay started. I was really nervous and horny so it didnt take a lot of time to cum. At the end, she rubbed my penis and I her shaved pussy for a few seconds. I think that my friend did the same with her girl. Howerver we were very discreet. After that we continued talking and we went to the shower and took the shower the 4 of us... it was really exiting to see the two girls completely nude, they were not shy at any moment and we continued talking while showering and we didn't covered with anything for 20 minutes, since we waiting to dry off all nude before getting dresed. We asked for if they wanted to continue "talking" in another place but they dont agree. They told us that they will come next week. Unfortunately we forgot that had to travel to my home country for a month and my friend also traveled with me for holidays so we havent seen them until now.

(sorry for my english, not my first language)

are you sure you didn't confuse sauna with a sauna-club?!?;)

it would be real nice if we could get the female perspective on these saunas I am starting to believe these ones the men are telling are a little bit exaggerated

No haha, but this first experience it has been the best until now for me. The others one nothing interesting had happened, just to see beautiful naked women.

Tips
 

Others tips,

-Try not to stare at tits or pussy for a long time. it is not nice.
-Find some time to relax, it is a good place to do it.
-Don't go alone, invite your partner/girlfriend or go with a friend. You can talk with your partner or friend in the pools and have a good time.
-When you enter to a pool say hello, you can break the ice and start talking with other people. However, in the sauna please don't talk a lot.
-If you don't speak Dutch no problem, many people speak English and they want to practice.
-Weather is always a good topic with Dutch people. They are always complaining about it hahaha!!
-Sunny days are the best. People are happier than usual and they sunbathe nude.
-Try to show off. If you show off,more people will follow (probably).
-Erections are not nice, hide it and if you can't control your excitement, go to the bathroom and jack off.
-Trim down there. The first time that I went I had a full bush I felt some kind of uncomfortable since all the people are trimmed (men) and almost all the women are completely shaved (>95%). I think that I was the person with more pubic hair in the sauna.

ENF moment
 

Me and my girlfriend are regular visitors of Dutch saunas and last week we witnessed a nice ENF moment. We went to a large sauna close to Amsterdam, it was a rainy Sunday afternoon and the place was very crowded. We entered the changing room, also full with people, and started to undress. I noticed a couple, around their thirties, in the corner of the dressing room. He was wearing swimming shorts and she was wearing a one piece bathing suit. It was clear they were not from Holland, my guess is Southern Europe or Northern African country. She was beautiful, with a very curvy body.

First i thought they were planning to further undress (most people were naked at the changing room), but before I could warn them they already went inside. We followed them and we saw them entering the shower room, where they were welcomed by more than 20 naked people. They were clearly very surprised by this, but took a shower anyway, but clothed. About 30 minutes after, someone of the staff approached them and I guess he explained to them its mandatory to be naked. I expected them to leave, but a few minutes later they entered the complex again, covered by only a towel. I was sitting in one of the hot tubs, and they decided to join me. She took of her towel for the first time and walked naked to my tub and entered the bath, which gave me the opportunity to see her fully naked. She was clearly not really comfortable with being naked. I really liked the situation and I do have much respect for them for not leaving, but getting naked instead!

Thought this might be of interest. Someone did an "Ask Me Anything" on Reddit recently about going to Belgian saunas. They answered a lot of questions from an American perspective.

I'm not much of a poster, so you have to search Reddit. "spas in Belgium" brings it right up.

The title of the post is:

[NSFW] I'm an American who goes to naked saunas / spas in Belgium. AMA about spa culture, American prudery, and coed naked whatever.

For the lazy:

www.reddit.com/r/casualiama/comments/4ghvze/nsfw_im_an_american_who_goes_to_naked_saunas_spas

Not a Dutch sauna but
 

Today I brought my GF to a big sauna facility. My GF is around 30, very hot, short, 65 kg and shaven pussy. Not dutch sauna, but simular in another country. The greatest thing about this sauna is that the pool areas are clothing optional, while the saunas (lots of them) are nude only.

My GF altough she's been to a nude beach on vacation before, this was close to home and a little different, so first she only wanted to go with a bathing suit in the pools. She didn't want to show her body. I went nude.

First in the pool I saw a really awesome hot woman fully shaven walking out of the pool. I tried not to stare too much. Perfect tits and legs. Age around 35.

We went to the first sauna. GF was as at first really careful not to show anything when she took off bikini under the sheet to cover up. And sat really modest in the sauna with a sheet around tits/pussy.

A few hours went and she started becoming more comfortable. Now she changed naked in the openly showing her nude body while changing with a slight ENF look on her face. And in the sauna, altough sitting modest leaning forward no legs apart, she was naked and not covering up. Huge step forward. Even with only me and two other men in the sauna. When we left she raised up in front of them not covering and took on the blanket afterwards.

They say that people don't look at the naked bodies at place like this, but they sure do. Atlest the men do discretely. The guys looked at all her glory up and down while they thought me and her wasn't watching. She didn't notice that.

Then I convinced her to use the mixed gender shower. We did together. No one came in the first time, but second time we met some guy on the way in. I turned, and saw he turned and watched down on her naked ass.

Later in the sauna I saw this really hot girl with his boyfriend come in. The hot thing was the way she layed down non modestly with me, GF and two other men in the sauna. She has a really perfect body, probably 25yo, partly shaven pussy. When I saw up I could see the vagina the way she layed. Really hot.


We are going back in around 1.5 week. We thing the warming up for full nudity / no swimwear next time is done. I think she will be naked full time next. Looking forward to it. Having a hard time not getting a boner.

With girldfriend in sauna
 

Until now I’ve only been telling about my sauna adventures in the ”German saunas” threat, but since the follow event took place in Amsterdam, I better move to the Dutch threat. I’m just back home after an extended weekend in Amsterdam together with my girlfriend, and on the last day we decided to go to a fancy sauna and spa house. As you can read in the German sauna threat, I introduced her to the mixed nude sauna a couple of years ago. Back then she was shy in the beginning, but now she’s very relaxed about her nudity. I would not call her an exhibitionist – she’s just relaxed about it, and she doesn’t even notice when the guys are checking her out. I notice it though, and I love it.

When we got to the place, we were directed to the locker room. It was mixed gender also, and when we entered it, there were only three guys in there – one older and two in their 40’ies. My girlfriend usually catches attention because she’s pretty short but has a huge rack. When we entered the locker room I could immediately spot that the two mid-aged guys noticed her, whereas the old one didn’t care at all. We both started undressing, and I made sure to talk to her while we stripped down, because as long as she had her front to me, she would also have her front to the two guys watching her. Just before she reached the bra+panties stage, I turned my head to the guys to see if they were still there. Of course they were, but even though they were already standing with their towels wrapped around them and ready to go to the saunas, they had “strangely” decided to stay, and they were both sending secret looks to my girlfriend. She didn’t notice them though, and while she was busy talking to me, she opened her big red bra, and let her two lovely boobs jump out just in front of them. Seconds later she pulled her panties down, and now they also got the perfect view to her shaved pussy. But then she put on bath rope and the show was over.

We didn’t see the guys again, because my girlfriend opted for another sauna than the one they went into. Instead we went to another sauna with wooden benches in three levels, forming a U-shape. I climbed to the corner of the third level, because it gave me a good view to a skinny milf that was leaning against the wall in the opposite corner. My girlfriend though, stayed on the second level, where she decided to lie on her back. She looked amazing as she was lying there with her legs partly spread and relaxed, and her big boobs floating out to all sides.

After a few minutes, and grey haired guy – probably in his late 50’ies – came in and sat on the same bench that my girlfriend lie on. He was sitting about 1 meter from her feet, and had the perfect look directly into her pussy. In the beginning he just sent a look now and then, and otherwise tried to look in all other directions, but after a while he stare more and more directly on her pussy lips. He even had changed his position discretely, because his cock started to turn too fat. By that time I could tell by the breath of my girlfriend that she had falling asleep, so she didn’t see any of this. At some point she even scratched herself a bit next to her pussy, which left her legs even more open than before.

At some point it got too hot though, and I woke her up and suggested to go to the showers. Under the showers I washed her back, and pretty much as expected, the guy from the sauna “coincidently” showed up to shower as well. I washed her back a little more, but I made sure to foam her big boobs also. Then we left the shower room, and left him alone to try to get rid of his erection before any other would see it and place complains at the counter :)

So, off topic. I suggest making a new topic for other countries, because in The Netherlands we think differently than eg. America

Which sauna was this? It's a behaviour I never saw in any sauna i (we) went. This is clearly passed the limit

It was in Sauna Deco. But I wouldn't say it was way beyond the limit - besides his boner of course. But when I said "take care of it", I didn't mean jerking off. I'm sure that he could fix it with some cold water after we had left :)

I'm not American, I live in Europe. I'd say that the whether the sauna is in Dutch or another country doesn't matter much in this thread. If it wasn't slightly sexual for anyone here, this thread wouldn't have been created on this forum.

There are plenty of non-sexual forums for other sauna talk

Let's continue the original story.

We were at the spa again. My GF was a little unsure about whether to use a bikini or not this time, but I convinced her to go without. Barely (she's very shy).

At first we went inside with bathrobes on. It's imposed to wear something between the activities so people don't wander naked around.

At first we went to the large pool in the center. Time for first nude climb in. It was very nice to see her getting in naked all beautiful and clean shaven. I noticed a few guys checking her out.

I didn't think it was possible to see much in the actual pool, but actually it is. There is little chlorine in the water compared to "normal" pools and the water was very clear. In fact it was arousing to float around for a while, occasionally nearby some other people all naked. I actually noticed a few times that sometimes the water acts like a "lens"zooming in on her pussy when looking in the water at the right spot. Wonder if someone else noticed.

Then we went to the sauna, pretty much same as last time, but unfortunately alone now. A few times we showered around some dudes in mixed showers. She didn't care about that anymore.

We were back and forth a few times. We had booked a salt rubbing/ clay covering event later that we unfortunately didn't get to do because we had to leave early.. :( Too bas because that was nude event with several other people, mixed gender, right after the woman only event. It would be hot watching my GF rub herself in at the same time as watching other girls rub on. Hope we can try that next time. I saw a few hotties nude this time, but always covered, unfortunately. I think my woman was the most exposed girl this time going all nude and little cover.

Geez.... all this talk has me missing these Sauna Worlds... probably time to head back to Europe.

My best experience was at an alpine wellness spa in Austria. Sitting with my feet in a cold soak a man woman and their 16-18 year old daughter show up in robes. Robes come off and they are all in swim suits.... I thought, oh that makes sense. Next thing you know dad drops his shorts and is fully nude. Next Mom and daughter lose their tops (the young girl was truly perfect) and I thought wow, this is really happening. Then the bottoms came off and I felt my heart rate increase. This girl was so perfectly smooth from head to toe that I was left I'm sure with my jaw on the floor. By the way I'm sitting on the ground and they walked over to hooks right in front of me so I certainly didn't feel the need to turn away. Anyways the three of them went and crammed in a 2 person infrared sauna and then I had to leave.

It was at this point I realized just how extreme the cultural differences are...

whats the name of the spa
 

Hi, which spa is it?
I am planning to visit Austria, so may get lucky
thanks

Where exactly is this please? Name..
I am visiting Austria this winter and could try it..

Anyone been to Archimedes Banya in SF?

Concerning native visitors, this is more than likely to happen in nearly every Sauna in Austria or Bavaria. Just try anyone :D Nothing unusal there.

I'm going to Eindhoven in a few weeks, and I'm researching which saunas are the best :)

Does anyone have any recommendations?
I've looked at these:

SpaSense (Eindhoven) 552, 4.3, 60
Thermen Goirle 266, 4.3, 60
Wellness Centre de Thermen ('s Hertogenbosch) 175, 4.1
SpaPuur (Tilburg) 626, 3.8, 59
Sauna Devarana (Hertogenbosch) 230, 4.2,
Wellness Helmond 162, 4.2, 51
Sportiom (Hertogenbosch) Sport complex, swimming pool, gym, sauna
Wellnessboot Mill (a boat, in Mill) 339, 4.3, 400
Thermae Son 299, 4.2, 55
Sauna and Beauty Oase Nijmegen 643, 4.1, 60
Thermen Houten 276, 4.1, 50

I prefer smaller facilities that are popular, such as Sauna Egmond in Harleem, as its easier to get up close to the cute girls :)

I would prefer thermen Bussloo

so what's the best place to go in or near Amsterdam?

Spa zuiver. Big, light, new.
Also sauna deco perhaps, but it is much smaller.

when is the best month to go to spa zuiver? will be going to Amsterdam on business next year

I don't know. I was there in summer, and it was great. I would assume it is more popular in winter though.