A better way to look at it is to take the opposite approach. Ask yourself this question, name one ENF scene where you EVER thought to yourself:

1. "That sucked -- I've never seen that happen in real life;"
2. "No woman would could possibly be THAT naive;"
3. "Oh, come on, she should be used to it by now;"
4. "Gosh, she's really over-acting the embarrassment;" or
5. "Oh, good, I'm glad she got her clothes back so soon!"

Seriously, can somebody name ONE example that made you think any of those things? EVER?

As I see it, the whole point of this exercise is to see how far we can push the boundaries. Helmhold has shown us that all the pre-conceived notions of how far this stuff can be taken are all totally full of crap.

Anybody exploring this realm shouldn't try to do a "little better" than what has been done before, but should intentionally see if he can take all the aspects to their extremes. Keep going until it doesn't work anymore, and then back off. Until somebody someday manages to succeed at that, the danger of doing too little is a LOT greater than the danger of doing too much.

Last two comments are seriously on the money IMHO.

What happened?
 

Anyone ever hear any more about this?

Even if nothing from Warney becomes of it I think it is a great thread to be seen and commented on....

This is something I know I can do. We have a very good full length feature script. We would just need to find someone willing to back the production. We haven't pursued it because of other current projects, but I'm sure my group can produce something that will set the standard for a film of this type for years to come. Perhaps sometime soon I will be able to seek partnerships to make it happen.

Hey everyone!
 

Hey all,
Thanks a lot for all the very interesting comments and suggestions. As I am sure people are aware, and especially after reading this great thread, there are always things in the way of getting any project done. I have been actually having to make proper videos recently and not the ones I want to make for fun. Ah well, its all money.
I am working through the thread and getting soem ideas. I really do hope to have something in the works in the next few months.
I will keep everyone posted on what the story will be and the outcome. And of course a trailer will follow! Although I like the idea of posting a link on this site to give OCC members a free download of the finished item, whatever that may be.
Its a great forum this, and thanks again to everyone here. I will get something to you soon!

warney59
 

I'm not sure if anyone else has asked this but as far as I've read, you will make a site and we have to pay to download some movies. If that's the case, what payment process will you use?

Any progress?
 

Any luck with this? clips4sale is the ideal place for it.

Hmmm, can't believe I just noticed this thread.

Yes, there's definitely a market. And I'm in a position to know. Very much looking forward to whatever you come up with.

I'm also in a position to know about this. Drawbacks of Clips4Sale include: they take a pretty big slice of the pie, their software is antiquated junk, and they impose a minimum price per video that can make long clips impracticable. But if you're someone like me, with a time-consuming day job and no time or energy to deal with all the crap involved in the business side of things, they're well worth it. Sure, there are things I wish they did better, but you simply can't beat the convenience.

The biz angle
 

Looks like there are some film/entertainmentn pros in this community. Very impressive.

Anybody interested in putting together a little coop or joint venture?

Another Thought
 

How about a contest or some sort of "bare as you dare" vibe?

I'm thinking about a "girls doing dares" contest -- where maybe you have amateurs, or even actresses doing a set of escalating dares. They might be recruited knowing they'd be doing sexy dares, but keep the option to forego nudity if they chose (the best would get into the competition, and of course a "ringer" or two can always ensure enthusiasm and nudity! :p)

The other thing -- a lot of women have a fantasy about stripping in front of a group of guys, like at a party or even in a club setting. I wonder if something like that would televise well -- recruit women to fulfill their fantasy by stripping in front of a small group of guys. Maybe an update of the old "Bert Rhine Productions" shows. Maybe even a reality-TV kind of thing, where a crew goes from town to town recruiting women (and acceptable audiences, by the way).

Game Show?
 

Has anybody thought about doing a game show? Something like the "Italian Stripping TV show" that's been so popular? Or the old "Everything goes"?

As popular as the vaguely fraudulent "Strip Poker" TV show was a while back, a real stripping game show might be a big, big hit.

I just reckon I could come up with ENF scenes constantly. How much money are we talking here - I might be in... PM me

ok so it looks like you're across the pond and well on the way with your project - good luck - I will buy it (providing I can find it!)

I have never made this sort of film before, but looking at the competition from most paysites I think you would only need a couple of camcorders for different angles and some editing software - oh and of course a girl and you'd be as good as they are production wise.

I wouldn't go overboard with any plots etc - nothing wrong with isolated scenes.

The very nature of this means that it is going to be staged - but done correctly that should not matter. Obvious pitfalls would be using recognisable models. Given that this is not porn - just nudity - it might be easier to hire new recruits...

The thing that stikes me as most important is how to overcome the niche element - and make the thing financially viable. It seems to me that one could encompass a variety of similar 'special interests' to give it broader appeal. Take 2 good pay sites like spankingshame and badtushy, badtushy is a great concept - but they don't show nearly enough frontal shots. Spanking shame is superb in this respect - but they are not imaginative enough with their settings. A good ENF movie (IMO) could easily encompass 1 clothed scene. 2 stripping. 3 public nudity - the more people the better. 5 perhaps light bondage - i.e gently tied to something. 6 light spanking - always an embarrassing thing. 7. perhaps a wet +/or messy element prior to the stripping. The point being that the ENF component could be funded by any of these larger niche markets.

Most importantly of all is the question 'is this embarrassing?' It matters less that the target actually REALLY IS embarrassed than that she is embroiled in a scene where most people would think she ought to be. In that case amateur acting would be sufficient.

Good luck!

Silly films
 

Great luck to you Sir Seph. I am sure you have some great ideas for your project.

Pithaw:
You hit on a good point but I wonder if trying to appeal to many markets can be detrimental. I was curious do others buy from sillyfilms.com? What do you think of their movies? They seem to try to cover a number of markets but curious if people buy them.

sillyfilms
 

Hey Lotfw,

I have purchased from Silly Films. I really like his stuff. In fact, his videos were the inspiration for me to start the Babysitting Without a Net project. One of the videos he has available about a Pizza Delivery, was a custom piece he did for me.

He is heavy into the messy pie stuff, but always at the end. The process of stripping the girls and getting them fully naked has always been entertaining. But I would definitely consider him an influence on NMP.

As for sirsef's video project... I can hardly wait! Do keep us posted about developments. We need more ENF video-graphers!

Fantastic news! I had thought you'd given up on this plan, but am so glad you didn't. Really looking forward to seeing the results.

Wink Martindale TV show
 

Years ago there was a TV show hosted by Wink Martindale, featuring one male and one female contestant. Whichever one failed to answer a question lost an article of clothing, taken off by the other person. The losing women were stripped to their bare breasts; they were clearly upset and embarrassed. Occasionally one of the panel members would sneak up behind a female winner and unfasten her bra anyway. Again, there was no question of the embarrassment being honest. Interestingly, a few female contestants were more exhibitionistic and stripped off their bras even though they had won! Maybe some of these old shows are floating around in cyberspace waiting for us.

Oh, you will sell more than two dozen copies ;)

And if I can help promote your work, I will.

That would be Everything Goes which aired on the Playboy channel. The host was actually Kip Adotta (although he could easily be confused for Wink). There was a thread a year or so ago trying to get information on the game. There was also a Yahoo Group dedicated to trying to find the old clips. I have a couple of REALLY BAD quality vids. One is a clip show featuring highlights from about 5 different games, and two complete games. I'd post them, but I think the files are too big for OCC. Surprisingly enough, not much else has survived to the net (that I'm aware of).

If you're interested in strip games, checkout Red's work at lostbets.com. He's been at it for a year now and I've become a big fan of his work. His games are more small setting strip games rather than a full out "game-show", but I'm trying to push him to do more "game-showy" type stuff.

I couldn't agree more. Although it may be a cliche, I've never seen it really filmed or photographed the right way yet.
If anyone has any links or content of this nature, PLEEEASE share it with us?

Beach stripping
 

I like this idea too. In fact I started an ENF "b*tch asleep on the beach" storyline with this in mind on another thread (added to "I'm an ENF woman UK..."), if anyone would like to come contribute to it? (nudge,nudge, wink,wink ;D)

Bumping
 

Hopefully Sirseph has found his video making worthwhile..

Always like these discussions. Inspire some more filmmakers...

(I sent one of mine to SirSeph recently :)

16 year old thread
 

Just looking back at this. Amazing how far things have come. From visionaries like Seph, Helmhood, Red, and Silly films for good or bad it is now hard NOT to find an ENF themed video.

I know this is an old thread, but it was bumped...

...and I wanted to expound on the above. I think this is a theme that a lot of producers just don't understand. When it comes to ENF, EUF, or just general sexy embarrassment or humiliation material, who is the person is pretty much as important as the action itself. For this fetish to work, the character needs to clearly be established as prudish, reserved, shy, dignified, or in a position of social authority. Speaking personally, I am not interested in the "sexy librarian" who clearly looks like a porn star playing a bimbo-y librarian...or the "naughty school girl" with pigtails, blouse tied in a knot, and skirt so short it explicitly shows the lace of her stockings...or the police officer with one-piece bodysuit uniform with deep V front that came from the Halloween store. Those archetypes don't serve the ENF/EUF fantasy. What I do like is the librarian who actually looks like a librarian. I'm not saying put her in a frumpy sweater. Quite the opposite actually! Put her in a top that's still professional, but teases the imagination enough to what to see more of what's underneath. JAV producers seem to understand this more. When they put an office girl in a video, she looks like an actual office girl. That's because JAVs are often about much more than pure nudity. Western producers seem to think the nudity is the only point.

I often say that's why The Rocky Horror Picture Show is such a classic EUF movie. It doesn't matter if Janet's being played but by Susan Sarandon, Victoria Justice, or any actresses in a community production. The stripping scene always hits, because Janet is clearly established as a prude. She's dressed conservatively, and when she's stripped, she's not wearing some sheer peekaboo bra and lace thong. She's wearing stuff that can be found in the lingerie department at Sears. Yes, a big part of Janet's character arc is about her sexual awakening, but that comes later during interactions with Rocky and Dr. F. When she's stripped, she's clearly not at that point yet, and that's what makes her stripping so great.

And now I'm done philosophizing. :p