That depends on the specific place. Having said that, I will elaborate.

First, the outside showers, those directly outside the sauna cabins, or by the pools etc, are coed, obviously. But those are meant just for cooling off after a sauna session, and for rinsing off the sweat before entering a pool.

The showers that are sometimes segregated are those next to the locker rooms, where you are meant to take a real shower, with soap, shampoo etc, and wash yourself thoroughly. The reason why those are sometimes segregated, I think, is so that women in particular will not feel discouraged from washing “properly” in front of men.

In my experience, in Germany, larger and more modern places are more likely to have such segregated showers even with coed changing rooms. Smaller, sauna-only places (ie those not attached to textile pools) are more likely to have coed showers. Examples are Roetgen and Satama.

But in practice, in otherwise fully coed nude areas, that segregation is not so black and white. If you go with your wife to such a place, I very much doubt that anyone will complain if she joins you in the men’s showers.

I am much less familiar with such places in Belgium and the Netherlands, but from my (limited) experience there, they are more likely to have fully coed changing rooms and showers.

In Germany, it’s difficult to know beforehand what the precise set-up will be.

Thank you very much Brock Landers for the very informative response. I have never been to a spa in Europe but hoping to one day with the wife. This gives me a much better idea on what to expect and how to get her exposed to other men as much as possible!

Yeah, at least in Central Europe. I visited V in H last winter and I think the percentage was really high. I'd say 80-85% of females were fully shaved. And the rest had a landing strip - often a narrow one. I don't think I saw any bushes. The percentage was really high also among men. Most guys were also totally smooth, which was kind of cool, because I think it's also good for guys to shave.

I wonder if people shave before going to spa because they know they are going to get naked. Or if they just are usually shaved. I have lived in the Netherlands for some time, and I dated some local women there. Most of them were usually fully shaved, but I don't know how common it actually is.

The number of men who go completely smooth has indeed increased in recent years. When I took the step a good 20 years ago, I was often still 1 of the only ones, that time has passed.
I think most of them also keep it shaved if they don't go to wellness. There will also be those who only shave for the occasion, of course.

Do you see many shaved families? I've always found it interesting to see parents take on the modern generation appearance.

About the subject of shaving. You see some guys who only have their private areas shaved and the rest of the body hairy. Which is kinda funny. And also implies the do it to please their partner when they receive oral.

Depends on your definition of “good”.
If you mean good because you find it more aesthetic or pleasing for a partner, then sure, that’s a matter of opinion.

But in terms of health, it’s not particularly good. I’ve seen tons of infections and abscesses in the scrotal area, and virtually all of the younger patients presenting with this are shaved. Small cuts leading to infections or ingrown hairs due to shaving are the usual culprits. From a medical point of view I’d totally advise against shaving. Trimming is fine though.

I think it's quite common to see mothers and daughters together, but not fathers with their children. I think fathers usually go rather with their partner or maybe friends, but not with their offspring. This is a generalization, but I find that Dutch and German mothers seem to be quite relaxed to hang out with their daughters even if they're fully shaved. And they usually are.

No, I don't know anything about the health side. I just meant that it's polite to shave for oral sex if your partner likes it. And it can look good aesthetically - or sometimes not. If you're hairy, it can look weird if you keep all the other hair put shave pubes.

Hamburg
 

Has anyone here been to the new Vabali resort in Hamburg? Hoping to visit this year and wondering how it compares to Berlin. Also- is it easy to travel to from Hamburg?

It is kind of far from Hamburg and not so easy to reach by public transportation as some locals told me (for me it didn’t make any different, to reach by car it was easy).

The area is huge, much bigger than Berlin or Düsseldorf, also the architects learned some from the other locations. It has a natural pond / pool combination, where you can swim (or in winter, as it’s not heated, cool down) and some extra warm water pools to relax (5 in total, one is surrounded by the pond, which is the nicest one). Also it has a hotel which make stays easier I believe (haven’t tried yet).

It’s definitely worth a visit as well. Seems weekdays are less frequented, during all my stays I got a coupon for “extra time” (means pay 4h stay whole day for example), but as I’m not from Hamburg for me only weekend was an option so far (and these coupons always only for the current month)

They most likely are aware that most girls start shaving their pussies early on and it stays that way for a long time... Most likely they will also be aware of the lady shave in the shower/bath room.

What was the daughter’s pussy like? The kind that’s all tucked away or the kind with large exposed lips? Pussies closer to the latter are even more exposed when shaved

As a Brit the thought of seeing a father and teenage (or older) daughter naked together blows my mind.

God damn our prudish island!

It always blows my mind to see mother and daughter together. Sometimes the daughters are really youngish, and not all of'em used to get naked infront of strangers (particularly then male part of humanity)...
- Recently a mother had her daughter unwrap her towel which she had curled tight around her body, so she could sit on it and wouldn't touch the wood with her naked feet. She looked damn uncomfortable... all naked...and exposed...
- Another girl tried to hide her breast behind her legs, because her mother had chosen the best lit corner of the whole sauna. So she chose the M-pose flashing her pussy to the whole cabin...

(ps: Where I wellness, there's a strict 18+ rule, and they check IDs)

True and that is very sexy but for me father daughter is next level.

And it just proves how non sexual they find it all.

I'll never forgot being in a spa in Brussels and seeing what looked like a 17 to 18 year old girl just casually having a conversation with her father whilst stood completely naked.

I suppose when you grow up in this culture it's no big deal.

Wife and I are planning to go to Amsterdam in August. Has anybody been to a nude sauna there and how was it? We frequent the nude beach so the nudity isn't new for us but just wondering how the places there are.

Amsterdam sauna
 

Definitely try Zuiver. Go on a Friday or weekend. Fantastic

Thanks for this. I was just wondering the same thing this week as I had the option of an overnight in either Berlin or Hamburg, but ended up sticking with Berlin for the "sure thing" of VB there. It was pretty quiet though on a Wed. night. Definitely not as great as a weekend day.

I looked at this place and it seems like it's only nude on Friday to Monday. Most likely we would be going on a Thursday. Is there another place you know off that would be nude on Thursday?

Zuiver would be my first recommendation for Amsterdam as well. As would Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. The amount of young, fit, blond dutch women make re-arranging your schedule well worth it. If that isn't possible then I'd suggest either Beemster if the weather is nice or Sauna Deco if the weather isn`t nice. But either will work in any condition, so that`s just a way of breaking a tie between them. Also, I believe Deco has a max time of 3 hours so worth checking if that matters.

Thank you for the information. It is very helpful. If we could go on Friday it would have to be day time. Is there a good time during the day we should aim for? I definitely wanna see some young, for, blond dutch women and I'm sure the wife will enjoy the men as well.

The real deal around Berlin is the Kristalltherme. 45 min. by public transport from Central Station "Hauptbahnhof" to the door "Kristallbad", 4€fare. Over 20 saunas indoor and outdoor, nude everywhere. Cheap hotels nearby. A bar in the pool for drinking among nude folks, I love it. CO on Wednesday and Sunday till 17:30 if you like CFNM. Nice Restaurant. Nobody asking to wear a robe. Much more relaxed than VB.
(Just to understand Germany, it is fully relaxed nudity but no jerking, touching or cameras)
The pictures here include bathings suits for commercial reasons, suits are not allowed except for posted CO times (Wednesday and Sunday till 17:30)
https://kristall-therme-ludwigsfelde.de/

Your wife will not be disapointed, the dutch men has the biggest penis size in Europe and almost in the world. https://www.worlddata.info/average-penissize.php

anyone been to the 'health spa' in brighton (kemp town area, ear to nudie beach), recently?

(btw, I consider UK as still being European!!)

Have read very mixed reviews.. only thought of it, as handy way to clean off salty water / suncream, after the beach!

The later the better. Inhibitions drop with time and alcohol.

That brings up another question. Is there a bar inside the spa that serves alcohol?

Good to know. She does like to check out other guy's dicks.

In my experience, it is commonplace for dutch and german wellness centers to have a restaurant that serves small bites, salads, entrees, beer and wine. Mixed drinks are less common but not unusual. Zuiver serves alcohol and while no one was sitting around getting drunk I did notice that as the day got later people of both genders were less inhibited. I don't mean to suggest that by sundown the place turned into a porn movie or a gynecological exam. Rather, people who earlier in the day would use a robe whenever they were not in water, steam, or sauna now seemed to be more comfortable standing around in the nude or walking from station to station with towel in hand instead of wrapped in it. Whether this was my imagination (possible, but my wife noticed it too), the alcohol, the comfort that comes with hours spent together in mostly undress, or some combination thereof it is hard to say. I just know that my experience at Zuiver started out as heavenly and somehow only got better. I am going back in October so I will happily report back on whether the place can live up to my first experience.

FWIW, the American couple we were traveling with went to Beemster and had equally great things to say about it. I just think that Zuiver and Deco both being in Amsterdam likely attract a consistently younger clientele, but that's just speculation on my part.

Turkish bath
 

It must be at least 25 years ago when me and the Mrs went to Turkey every summer.
We'd heard about proper Turkish baths, and decided to do one(our first one) halfway through the holiday, to get rid of all the dead skin. The hotel we were staying in had it's own Turkish bath, so this year we booked our first Turkish bath, with the masseur as well.
It was down in the basement, and you had to book your slot. So it wasn't a wander in/free for all arrangement.
Anyway we are sitting outside waiting, and the masseur appeared. He was a fairly young guy, and quite tall. We went in, and he started soaping up the cloth as the room got hotter. I went first, soaped up, then exfoliated then washed over with clear water. Then the massage, with some oils.
He clicked my neck, like all Turkish barbers do. I felt very relaxed after.
He beckoned to my Mrs, and she got up and walked towards him. To my astonishment she asked if she should take her bikini top off.
He said if she was OK doing so, then yes. She unclipped and removed her bikini top, and lay down on the hot marble.
He soaped her up, her entire body. Watching a total stranger soap my Mrs tits was very errotic. He then did the exfoliation, again including her exposed breasts. She turned over onto her stomach and he did her back and rear. He pulled the bikini briefs down slightly and exfoliated her again. As he did so the bikini bottoms edged further down and exposed more of her bare bum.
Next, the massage. She remained on her front for that, and he squirted some oils in his hand and began massaging her.
He had a towel wrapped around his waist, and I had no idea if he had briefs on underneath. I was now looking to see if was getting excited, I couldn't see evidence of an errection.
Anyway he worked her over very thoroughly, each leg, calves, hamstrings etc. Her back as well, again rolling her bikini bottoms down to expose maximum flesh.
To my surprise she reached down, and pulled them down further so her bum was completely exposed.
He massaged her shoulders, arms, back, and bare bum. I just sat there, viewing it and asked her if she was relaxed "very" was her reply. When he eventually stopped he said to turn over, so she flipped over. Her bikini bottom was still rolled down so her bare bum was now on the hot marble surface, which didn't seem to bother her.
He began massaging her front. It might have been my imagination but he seemed to spend a lot of time massaging her breasts. Her stomach got a bit of attention.
I noticed her pubes were poking out of her bikini briefs, and as he massaged away at her hips and thighs even more became visible.
He clicked and rolled her neck, then fingers. And that was it.
We sat outside, relaxed and drank cold water as he cleaned up the bath area.
Best £40 I've ever spent, I gave him a decent tip as well.

Is it common that the husband can watch the wife be treated in a Turkish bath? I thought users were segregated by gender.

If it's common, I should be making a pitch to visit!

If it were a public one, yes they're segregated.
But this was within a hotel used by Europeans.

Good to know! Are you comfortable sharing the name of the hotel?

Thanks!

It 25 years ago FGS,. It was on the outskirts of Marmaris, and was yellow in colour.

Going in a couple of weeks

Should be interesting considering it's the only one of its kind in the UK

So our plans have changed so we may be staying in Rotterdam instead of Amsterdam. Are there any good nude saunas there as well?

You can go to the really good Amsterdam saunas anyway...
 

...it's half an hour or so by train between the cities.
(And btw, what used to be a nice sauna near Rotterdam, Elysium, is supposedly 'down the drain nowaday'.)

Regards /KG

While staying in Rotterdam, we stayed in SpaSereen Maarssen, which is near Utrecht and very nice. But it was a nightmare to get back from without a car. If you have a car, it might be worth considering. It was a bit quiet when we went there. I think it is mostly local people.

Alot of this thread is about looking at beautiful women and rightly so!

But does anyone else enjoy displaying themselves as well?

I take good care of myself and have a pretty good physique and it does feel good just walking around a complex completely naked without a care in the world and catching women peeking through the side of their eyes every now and again.

@kuzco1000
I like the clothing optional days for walking around nude among women in Bikinis 🙂

ooooh yeah, flirting and meeting is sooo amazing when you are nude. But you have to have to be really sensible and take note of the signals or lack of.

there is a saying in V it goes like this "everybody looks"