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Fango 06-19-2013 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by laylak (Post 1532019)
nice (watermarked) bristol set up here:

hxxp://blog.shendy.co.uk/2013/06/bristol-naked-bike-ride-2013/

Great shot of my favorite girl from Bristol: blog.shendy.co.uk/2013/06/bristol-naked-bike-ride-2013/1209_0134/

Another highlight: blog.shendy.co.uk/2013/06/bristol-naked-bike-ride-2013/1209_0133/

Thanks

Fango

Iamsailing 06-19-2013 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedro the Fisherman (Post 1532244)
It depends on the settings of privacy and copyright the poster has set. If you right click some, there is no 'save as' option on the listings

In Firefox nuke this enhanced will take care of the protection on an individual pic basis.

If you want to bypass the whole click-select-click business, especially with the new interface, search for Bulk Image Downloader. It will load up an entire set as thumbnails which you can then select from and download at once. It seems to automatically get the largest pic there regardless of pic settings.

It is cheap and I think there is a free trial version - I have nothing to do with them and will not profit from this post in any way, I just happened to have the prog from years ago and gave it a try.

vision0096 06-19-2013 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 27cows (Post 1529594)
This increasing hostility to snappers is gong to kill WNBR, mark my words. The whole point of the rides is to raise awareness. Think of any big event you care to name - London Marathon, Notting Hill Carnival, Brighton Pride etc - and the thing that helps to promote the events is the proliferation of pictures and vids that appear all over YouTube, Flickr and the like, many of which get many thousands of views.

It was obvious yesterday that several people at least were put off riding in Canterbury as a direct result of that 'no photography' sign in the park. Because it had to apply to everyone, including riders and professionals, or no one. Even though it was nonsense, probably unlawful and certainly not enforceable. At a small gathering like that, it would be a brave person who defied the ban, with cops everywhere, half of whom probably don't know the law regarding photography in public places (worryingly commonplace now).

Thing that always makes me laugh is when naturists (and of course many WNBR riders are) insist their nudity is non-sexual but can't accept that any photographer might genuinely want to cover the event without being overly concerned with bums and bits. And while strongly emphasizing that no one must be naked and on foot (without a bike) during the ride, tell snappers they should be naked if they want to take pictures. So exactly how would that work? :confused:

This increasingly antagonistic attitude is going to backfire. The vast majority of pictures that encourage others to ride in subsequent years are taken by amateur snappers. I've had lots of PMs on Flickr, including from several women, who decided to take part after seeing my snaps (and those of others). And the organisers always overlook the fact that a fairly substantial number of riders like to be seen and snapped, for whatever reason.

Sorry mate I really disagree with what you're saying. I did the London ride this year and it was probably one of the most fun experiences Ive ever had. It was really friendly, all the riders were chatting and laughing with each other and I will admit that the women looked wonderful. But at the end (and at the beginning to some extent) the photographers were really aggressive. As we finished I was almost taken off my bike by snappers rushing up to photograph any naked women coming in. Consequently most women who'd been totally happy naked most of the afternoon, whipped out a tee shirt and put it on within seconds of finishing. There was a difference with the people in the crowd on route cheering and taking photos and the letchers with cameras at the end, acting like they had never seen a pair of tits before. I would suggest to anyone who would like to do one of these rides especially London, start the ride clothed, stop 200m down the road, take off their clothes, do the ride and put something on before finish. And if anyone is so desperate to see a naked women, do the ride themselves naked.

mraeneas 06-19-2013 04:15 PM

Blogs!
 
Two blogs for you with large pictures,
of the lady that Drondo caught crossing the road in his video and a friend of hers.

spiritedbodies.com/

charoigne.wordpress.com/2013/06/15/lnbr2013/

Klondike 06-19-2013 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by vision0096 (Post 1532338)
Sorry mate I really disagree with what you're saying. I did the London ride this year and it was probably one of the most fun experiences Ive ever had. It was really friendly, all the riders were chatting and laughing with each other and I will admit that the women looked wonderful. But at the end (and at the beginning to some extent) the photographers were really aggressive. As we finished I was almost taken off my bike by snappers rushing up to photograph any naked women coming in. Consequently most women who'd been totally happy naked most of the afternoon, whipped out a tee shirt and put it on within seconds of finishing. There was a difference with the people in the crowd on route cheering and taking photos and the letchers with cameras at the end, acting like they had never seen a pair of tits before. I would suggest to anyone who would like to do one of these rides especially London, start the ride clothed, stop 200m down the road, take off their clothes, do the ride and put something on before finish. And if anyone is so desperate to see a naked women, do the ride themselves naked.

The biggest problem seems to be crowding during the body painting, crowding during the onset of the ride, and crowding as riders stop at the end to dismount. In Portland, the crowding as the ride departed was so bad (not just photographers but all spectators) that it made the bikeportland headline the next day. A woman shouted at people to move back.

Anyway, the crowding involves not just photographers but all spectators. But I do know that at Fremont, girls especially do not like coming to a halt and immediately being descended upon by cameras. It is actually dangerous too as they have other obstacles to negotiate like rail tracks.

So I agree it is a problem, and photographers need to pay attention to what riders say. However, I don't agree necessarily that those taking photos en route are OK while those at the end are letchers. That is way too simplistic, especially when you consider that its at the end where posing sessions often take place and where many women seem most anxious to pose.

I have seen guys stick cameras in girls faces while they are slowing down and on their bikes. This is really rude and if there is one thing I came away from this year in Portland its this - riders need space. They do not want to run over you, and you don't want to be the cause of an accident. Every year in Portland, riders bite the dust. Some are drunk. Some are just distracted. Then add some photographers to the mix and it can get really chaotic.

Its good that we get input from both sides. I agree to some extent with both you and 27cow, but not entirely with either of you. I will be thinking about this as I head to Fremont, where it looks like the whole photography issue may be reaching critical mass at the painting party. Photogs will need to be careful. They have gone into much bigger detail in spelling out rules for everyone, and so clearly there is concern among the riders. They are pretty much going to try and halt any photography of half painted riders this year, for example. The irony though at Fremont is this - whenever they try to restrict photography, they end up creating "funnel points" which can be especially dangerous. Funnel points occur when you have essentially prevented photography everywhere else and so guys just descend on the one or two areas where they still have access to nudes. If I were a rider, I would beware of funnel points, and maybe be a little more agreeable to opening up the rules and restrictions a bit.

Klondike

Fango 06-19-2013 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Klondike (Post 1532398)
They are pretty much going to try and halt any photography of half painted riders this year, for example.

:(/:mad:

On the other hand, good luck... :rolleyes:

Fango

Klondike 06-19-2013 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Fango (Post 1532405)
:(/:mad:

On the other hand, good luck... :rolleyes:

Fango

yes, it will be interesting. Gone are the "good ol days...." but happily, things can be reversed, like in Portland where they had no fenced off safe area this year.

I have seen the layout for Fremont this year. There will be an obvious funnel point which could be very chaotic, but its unavoidable given the way they are restricting access during the outdoor body painting. Ask any Hollywood celebrity about "funnel points" - the funnel point occurs at that place where you suddenly emerge from privacy and voila! - you are greeted by the hoards of cameras!!! They are all massed there because you have prohibited them from shooting from anywhere else sometimes! I.e. YOU CAN"T WIN!! You either take them on one at a time, or en masse!

Klondike

Klondike 06-19-2013 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Drondo (Post 1532412)
IMHO It's about the invasion of personal space rather that 'letching'. A long distance photo taken with a telephoto lens with a top end camera could reveal the close up of a labia whereas an sn*tched shot of a woman at 3 feet on an IPhone probably won't, but the girl will be more freaked out by the latter rather than the former (at the time it happens at any rate).

this got me thinking. I've got a 70-300mm lens. My 28-130mm lens, which I used to use, is crapped out. So now do I go buy me another 28-130mm lens tomorrow before heading to Seattle, or just back up and shoot with the 70-300mm lens? If I back up, the girls will be happier :) Ironically, my lens will dictate how much of a letcher I am on Saturday. With backing up though I risk getting a lot of shots of other photographer's heads rather than girls. I'd feel better about this if I knew all the other photogs were also going to back up :) So maybe that could be a new rule for organizers to think about. You want to call off the dogs? Make 'em shoot with 70-300mm lenses...:) I won't accept pics myself showing only body parts, so I will always back up to get the whole girl..

Klondike

Klondike 06-19-2013 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Klondike (Post 1532398)
(At Fremont) They are pretty much going to try and halt any photography of half painted riders this year, for example.

Klondike

I should qualify that - if you have a badge, you will be allowed to shoot (with permission) unpainted and half painted riders.

So, there will still be pics -

sorry to digress and talk about Fremont. On with the WNBR pics....

Klondike

eyes 06-19-2013 06:21 PM

Brussels 2013
 
youtube.com/watch?v=Sp3qKC5i8Bc

irishboy2525 06-19-2013 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Klondike (Post 1532271)
I checked back on the bikeportland website and the official numbers are in - 8,150 bikers rode in the 2013 Portland nighttime WNBR, and this is the largest WNBR EVER!!. Apparently, it is now considered that the numbers from previous years in Portland have been inflated, while this number was carefully obtained using a video camera specifically designed to count riders. Regarding the inflated numbers, it was said as many as 13,000 rode in 2010. Other estimates in 2010-2012 have been in the 8,000 to 10,000 range. But now they are saying that in 2011 4,200 rode while in 2012, 4,500 rode. I still am curious about the 2010 number but this year they are saying that "Portland's WNBR sets record".
I think that in 2010, numbers were higher than 4,500, but the most accurate estimate I can no longer link to, so I don't know what figure they finally settled on for that year. But apparently, it was lower than 8,150. Incidently, they wanted to invite the Guiness Book of World Records people this year, but found out it would cost 8,000 dollars (about one dollar per biker!) to have them show up. No matter - they installed a camera and did the count themselves. So heres the breakdown by year

2007 - 500 estimated
2008 - 2000 estimated
2009 - 5000 estimated but likely inflated now
2010 - as high as 13,000 but now inflated. I don't know the most official count because a link containing this info is no longer up. But they are implying this number is less than 8,150.
2011 - 4,200 official
2012 - 4,500 official
2013 - 8,150! official

So thats a whopping increase this year and it is official. I'm assuming that neither the 2009 or 2010 numbers are solid. The 2009 count was a police estimate. I was there and probably numbers were in the 2000 to 5000 range.

Having attended in 2010, 2012 and 2013, my sense was that all of these rides were similar in size. That doesn't square with the official counts though, as last year's in particular was smaller. But I could not have told you that in 2013, twice as many rode as in 2012 - it just didn't seem like it. Anyway, both numbers are solid, and so I can't argue!

Klondike

I was there looked more like 10,000 to me.....

mraeneas 06-19-2013 07:13 PM

27cows and OCC are famous!
 
......or maybe infamous.

genevieveharvey18.wordpress.com/2013/06/11/my-wnbr-is-cancelled-and-here-are-the-reasons-why/

Fango 06-19-2013 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mraeneas (Post 1532467)
......or maybe infamous.

genevieveharvey18.wordpress.com/2013/06/11/my-wnbr-is-cancelled-and-here-are-the-reasons-why/

It's the same Gen34 who's been trolling this thread. :rolleyes:

Fango

Looker81 06-19-2013 07:30 PM

Different shaped girls on London ride
 
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All shapes and sizes to admire.

Fango 06-19-2013 07:45 PM

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More Portland. Love the cute girl in the last few pics who seems to be having some trouble with her bike.

Enjoy

Fango

Klondike 06-19-2013 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mraeneas (Post 1532467)
......or maybe infamous.

genevieveharvey18.wordpress.com/2013/06/11/my-wnbr-is-cancelled-and-here-are-the-reasons-why/

I think that she would find it interesting that we do delve into the moral aspects of taking pics here. we don't just post them and walk (or wank) away. Riders do post here also sometimes. That has always intrigued me, that riders DO come here on occasion, look at the pics, talk about their experiences and share their impressions.

But the crux of the matter to me is how OCC is perceived and that somehow, we are "tainted" as though members here are fundamentally different from folks viewing these pics over at Flickr or any number of other sites. We are just normal people. And actually quite a few members here have rather astonishing intellects.

Anyway, this woman should be allowed her say and allowed to rest in peace. If she got herself in a little over her head here, which I kind of suspect, then hopefully time will heal and no one here need add fuel to the fire. In the photographer vs rider debate, I don't see defending photography to the point where open war breaks out. After all, the riders are the stars. Always have been. So if we are guilty of anything, it is simple hero worship and a desire to bring these courageous girls to the attention of others. No, we are not a photography site. The word "chick" is right there in the titles. So yeah, that is our focus but in no way does it diminish or take away from our admiration and awe for what these women do.

OK, then maybe we should rename OCC "One Click Superstar". That about sums it up for me. Does that sound like an attitude that should cause a woman to feel threatened or intimidated or devalued? You are superstars!. Am I getting my point across now??

Klondike

Klondike 06-19-2013 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Drondo (Post 1532522)
Well said Klondike, as I implied earlier, we are never going to square the circle on this one.

However there is a logic deficit here;

We all have differing moral views and standings.

The WNBR riders exhibit their bodies and some people find that offensive, particularly those that are religious.

The WNBR draws attention to itself by being naked. Some riders draw attention to themselves by wearing cock rings, have genital piercings and highlight their genitals with body paint then go out in the most crowded parts of a city. Some of the riders are very attractive females.

Then some complain that their photos have been taken and surprised that they are on the internet. :confused:

One might think that every year, all of the riders sort of network with one another when they show up, and so no one is left with any false impressions as to what they are getting themselves into.

But since that doesn't really happen, we get the full spectrum of responses. Its not our job to inform, only snap. I don't think I will ever be a responsible photographer in the minds of every single rider! I take that for granted!
They are as variable as the photographers are. So my advice to anyone riding is this - find out what the norm of behavior/response is for a rider, and recognize when your response falls outside of that norm! Photographers should do likewise. Then you can act accordingly and realistically when things don't go the way you would like. Everyone shares in the responsibility to make these WNBR's pleasant for all. If it was not pleasant for you, that is life - you take risks and sometimes you wish you hadn't. But it is easy to blame others when that happens, and with
adequate preparation, you would hope you could avoid such things. I am sorry she had a bad experience, but her reason for going public with it I assume would be to get lots of support. However, how much support you get will depend on where you fall on the "curve" comfort wise, and maybe you are farther out on that curve than you think!

Klondike

daveduchovny 06-19-2013 10:01 PM

I think the blogger was a little naive, her problem as she describes it is that she became aware that the photos people were taken were being posted on the internet and being viewed and commented on by low-lifes. She knew people were taking photos, she just didn't think about what they were doing with them. She should have realised (and now does) that everything inevitably ends up on the internet. Especially pictures of public, publicity-hungry events.

All life is here, both on the internet generally and OCC specifically. I have a lot more sympathy for Gen's viewpoint than for some of the meat-market sexist comments you get here from certain contributors, but we're all in favour of freedom of expression, and that includes views we disagree with.

futuresearch 06-19-2013 11:56 PM

I attended the London ride this year. It was a fantastic spectacle, utterly beautiful and enjoyable.

The only sour note was the end of the ride. Literally hundreds of pushy photographers, creating an intimidating guantlet for the returning riders. My advice to any female rider would be- bail before you get back to wellington arch, unless you are an exhibitionist and are comfortable with people taking pictures of you without asking for permission. No doubt some of those photographers are legit and there to document one of London's greatest events, but a lot of them are creepy.

I have no issue with people taking pictures of beautiful naked people, but I do think it is rude to do so without permission and in the rather unpleasant manner that I saw at the end of the ride. I would also be interested to know whether anyone else saw a girl with a red and white striped bikini during the ride - she was stunning. Not seen any pictures of her on here yet. This is a good site though - seems to get the right balance of praising the beauty of nudity, without making it feel dirty. Great pictures!

simonlintworm 06-20-2013 10:33 AM

reaction to Gen34
 
reaction to misss Gen34:

I am normally not one to partake in philosophical debate, but in this case I feel a strong desire to give my opinion. ( as Gen34 has done and since she doesn't have a monopoly on 'the truth', everyone is entitled to give his/her opinion)

What I strongly reject is the assuptions and gross generalisations Gen34 makes.

I for one have never/ nor do I intend to participate in a WNBR ride. However I applaud everyone who does and feel admiration for them. Most of the riders seem to enjoy the experience and seem to be shame-free. From looking at the pictures I gather it is a liberating experience for most riders. However, if one decides to participate one must realise that pictures/videos will be taken. If one is not aware of this, then I would indeed consider this to be naive.

But is that neccesarily a bad thing? I don't feel it is a crime to document this. The main purpose of the WNBR is to generate public interest in safety for cyclists in traffic and for the environment. So, being documented and generating exposure for these causes should be applauded as well. A WNBR with everyone looking the other way would be missing the point completely in my opinion. Yes, it might still be a liberating experience for the cyclists participating, but it would go by completely unnoticed with no interest for the issues. ( If a tree falls in a forrest with no-one around, does it make a sound?)

Miss Gen34 also seems to relate nudism to the ride, which is missing the point completely again. Nudism doesn't enter into it, because nudism doesn't take place in the public spectrum. Miss Gen34 is free to be a nudist and demand her privacy and not have her pictures taken. And if that were the case, I would be a strong advocate for that as well. Since the WNBR (though people taking part are naked) doesn't classify as nudity, but as an event to generate public awareness on the above mentioned issues, one cannot demand this same privacy or blame others afterwards for not respecting this mistakenly claimed privacy.

I do not feel bad about myself for looking at these pictures. After all, Is it really fair to blame Peeping Tom for looking at Lady Godiva?

I gather Gen34 will probably not read this, but people being linked to this site from her blog might, and I hope this puts matters in some perspective.

There is nothing wrong with participating in a naked bike ride and most members here have nothing but admiration for those who choose to do so. Gen34's assuptions say more about her anxiaties than of most members here.

simonlintworm 06-20-2013 11:59 AM

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As for the guys who keep pestering people at the start and finish: There are and always will be idiots out there.

In the meantime, here's some Toronto!

Gen34 06-20-2013 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 27cows (Post 1532866)
I've posted a lengthy reply in my defence...we shall see if Gen34 has a sense of fair play and allows the comment to appear (it's awaiting moderation). I'm guessing she won't want my side of the story to be heard. Time will tell.

Having said that, I do quite like the idea of being infamous :D (This is a joke, just in case she comes back and takes this comment literally too).

Of course I posted it. And yes I do recognise the quote.

Gen34 06-20-2013 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by simonlintworm (Post 1532946)
reaction to misss Gen34:

I am normally not one to partake in philosophical debate, but in this case I feel a strong desire to give my opinion. ( as Gen34 has done and since she doesn't have a monopoly on 'the truth', everyone is entitled to give his/her opinion)

What I strongly reject is the assuptions and gross generalisations Gen34 makes.

I for one have never/ nor do I intend to participate in a WNBR ride. However I applaud everyone who does and feel admiration for them. Most of the riders seem to enjoy the experience and seem to be shame-free. From looking at the pictures I gather it is a liberating experience for most riders. However, if one decides to participate one must realise that pictures/videos will be taken. If one is not aware of this, then I would indeed consider this to be naive.

But is that neccesarily a bad thing? I don't feel it is a crime to document this. The main purpose of the WNBR is to generate public interest in safety for cyclists in traffic and for the environment. So, being documented and generating exposure for these causes should be applauded as well. A WNBR with everyone looking the other way would be missing the point completely in my opinion. Yes, it might still be a liberating experience for the cyclists participating, but it would go by completely unnoticed with no interest for the issues. ( If a tree falls in a forrest with no-one around, does it make a sound?)

Miss Gen34 also seems to relate nudism to the ride, which is missing the point completely again. Nudism doesn't enter into it, because nudism doesn't take place in the public spectrum. Miss Gen34 is free to be a nudist and demand her privacy and not have her pictures taken. And if that were the case, I would be a strong advocate for that as well. Since the WNBR (though people taking part are naked) doesn't classify as nudity, but as an event to generate public awareness on the above mentioned issues, one cannot demand this same privacy or blame others afterwards for not respecting this mistakenly claimed privacy.

I do not feel bad about myself for looking at these pictures. After all, Is it really fair to blame Peeping Tom for looking at Lady Godiva?

I gather Gen34 will probably not read this, but people being linked to this site from her blog might, and I hope this puts matters in some perspective.

There is nothing wrong with participating in a naked bike ride and most members here have nothing but admiration for those who choose to do so. Gen34's assuptions say more about her anxiaties than of most members here.

In the same way I have responded to 27cows on my blog page, I will comment again here. I have no issue with 'photographers' persae. Yes the rides need to be documented and I do of course realise that this is NOT a naturist event. I object to the pushy leering photographers looking for photos PURELY to get crotch and tit images for websites like this. Yes some of them are on here. And some of them will be elsewhere and some of them will no doubt be kept for private use. I have seen lots of really good WNBR images both here and elsewhere that are a good overall view of the ride. I object to the obvious up close and personal harrassment of (obviously) young, slim, female participants who's images have clearly been taken for personal gratification. Some of that harrassment has been documented in other photographs. I posted an image with permission on my blog which included the red head on the London ride who literally had a guy kneeing at her feet with a camera pointed directly upwards up the length of her body as she pushed her way from the start line to set off. Is this acceptable???? Is this documenting the ride?

Gen34 06-20-2013 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Klondike (Post 1532499)
I think that she would find it interesting that we do delve into the moral aspects of taking pics here. we don't just post them and walk (or wank) away. Riders do post here also sometimes. That has always intrigued me, that riders DO come here on occasion, look at the pics, talk about their experiences and share their impressions.

But the crux of the matter to me is how OCC is perceived and that somehow, we are "tainted" as though members here are fundamentally different from folks viewing these pics over at Flickr or any number of other sites. We are just normal people. And actually quite a few members here have rather astonishing intellects.

Anyway, this woman should be allowed her say and allowed to rest in peace. If she got herself in a little over her head here, which I kind of suspect, then hopefully time will heal and no one here need add fuel to the fire. In the photographer vs rider debate, I don't see defending photography to the point where open war breaks out. After all, the riders are the stars. Always have been. So if we are guilty of anything, it is simple hero worship and a desire to bring these courageous girls to the attention of others. No, we are not a photography site. The word "chick" is right there in the titles. So yeah, that is our focus but in no way does it diminish or take away from our admiration and awe for what these women do.

OK, then maybe we should rename OCC "One Click Superstar". That about sums it up for me. Does that sound like an attitude that should cause a woman to feel threatened or intimidated or devalued? You are superstars!. Am I getting my point across now??

Klondike

Why am I in over my head? I am taking this from a different perspective and from the comments I have received from riders, photographers and stewards. I am also commenting from the perspective of being a female who felt unsafe going on the ride. Why does that put me over my head. Because there is one of me and about 500 of you?

Gen34 06-20-2013 02:09 PM

My stance (again!)
 
It seems to me that everyone here is of the opinion that the girls are clearly aware of where their images are being put. They are not. And you cannot deny that this thread sits along side clearly more pornographic subjects. That in itself gives this thread a bad connotation.

Your website has of course (because I have blogged about it) been picked up on by various people both connected and not connected to the rides. Yay for publicity for all of us I guess. But I was struck and strangely surprised by the number of horrified comments I received from women who had no idea where their images were ending up. I know that at least a few of them went on here to check they weren't included. At least one of them was and I believe it's been dealt with.

Now, yes maybe they are naive. I wasn't shocked or surprised to find out. And perhaps they shouldn't have been. But they were. And it does suggest that participants are very innocent about their reasons for attending the rides. I am sure many of the people attending are not naturists and are using it as an excuse for getting their kit off in public. Fair dues to them, have fun. And they probably don't care where their naked selves are ending up online. But for some people on this ride it's been a very brave thing to do by getting on a bike naked, or even in a bikini and support the message behind the rides. Some have said they won't do it again until things change, and some, like me, will not do it until things do change.

Which is a shame for everyone. Me, you (the legit photographers amongst you anyway) and spectators. And of course the event organisers.

I appreciate there are a million sides to arguments like this. I am just giving mine. And you have given yours and I've been surprised at how balanced some of the reponses have been. And no doubt (by some of the comments I have seen here) you may be surprised I have responded, published your comments on my blog (including Mike of the OCC who says he is going to jerk off to my naked pics even though there aren't any) and I will continue to publish comments that are useful to the discussion (possibly no more from Mike though).

Pedro the Fisherman 06-20-2013 02:11 PM

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Next time round I will definitely be naked at whichever WNBRs I attend. No one will give me a second look.
Works for me, but I still only take close shots if given permission, which happens much more often than not. This is not naturism, this is protest and protests feed on publicity. I think 90% of the close snappers keep shots to themselves, even the guy with 'scaffolding' has not updated his Flikr page in two years and takes about 1000 shots an event and visits at least 4 rides a year!

I even took some for him in 2010:eek:. He asked a very cute girl who had been swimming nude (but rode topless) to take her panties off (she had just slipped them on) and she happily complied for his photos! There are some shots of two clothed female spectators holding his (and his mates:eek:) penis in Hyde park this year too.

EDIT In response to the above post that appeared as I typed mine. I have ridden on about 6 rides over the years as I actually agree with the reason for the ride, I always ride naked too. I take a small cheap camera with me and take general shots, but often with an attractive female in shot. To me, it's a sort of perk! I don't put them on Flikr, just here. I know quite a few of the girls here and many ARE AWARE of being put up on the internet, both on Flikr and adult sites. It's a fact of our times and some find it amusing, not threatening, but I can see some would do.

Klondike 06-20-2013 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Gen34 (Post 1533087)
Why am I in over my head? I am taking this from a different perspective and from the comments I have received from riders, photographers and stewards. I am also commenting from the perspective of being a female who felt unsafe going on the ride. Why does that put me over my head. Because there is one of me and about 500 of you?

I wouldn't take offense to that remark. Perhaps I didn't mean quite what i said. I think I was referring to what by your own admission was naiveté on your part (which you did state on your blog).

but I'll just say one more thing - it seems that OCC and "pushy, pervy snappers with iPhones, etc" are being connected in your mind. I don't agree that there is a one to one connection here. We are not the home of the pushy, pervy snappers, with the "respectful" snappers posting their pics somewhere else, like on "respectable" websites. This just isn't so. Just a few years ago, for example, very few WNBR pics posted by OCC members were originals taken by members. Most of the pics came from sites like Flickr, an ordinary photo hosting site. And today, i doubt very seriously if most of the pervy, pushy snappers even know that OCC exists. I can understand how a rider might draw obvious conclusions about what types of people contribute to this site, but the facts speak otherwise. In any WNBR thread, original pics make up a minority of the total posted. This year was an exception, as there was much original material, especially from the UK. But overall, the VAST majority of pics posted here from WNBR over the years has either been taken from responsible websites, or were originals taken by RESPONSIBLE photographers who also happen to be members here.

And so, what I would like to submit to you is this: You were at the ride, and you encountered a lot of disrespectful photographers which is unfortunate and shouldn't happen. I personally don't like these guys, and everyone here knows that I am a CONSTANT advocate for photographers being respectful. Anyway, then somehow a connection was made in your mind between these guys and OCC, as though they were there specifically to take pics for this site or sites like this. And so OCC gets dragged into the debate, and we sort of get to feel like we are all being lumped with the pushy pervy snappers. But where specifically was this connection made, and can you say for certain that this was not more of an implied connection rather than a real one? Because it makes a difference to us naturally, as we have been implicated as co-conspirators if you will in your unfortunate experience. Personally, I don't want ANY woman to have a bad experience at ANY WNBR, and I would work with you all to help make sure that this doesn't happen again. In other words, I will work ON YOUR SIDE and against all of the pervy snappers who supposedly you seem to think we all are.

And hopefully, as one of the earliest contributors of original material to OCC (bike rides anyway), I can say that I speak for the other snappers here. I know I do for many of them.

Klondike

simonlintworm 06-20-2013 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Gen34 (Post 1533078)
In the same way I have responded to 27cows on my blog page, I will comment again here. I have no issue with 'photographers' persae. Yes the rides need to be documented and I do of course realise that this is NOT a naturist event. I object to the pushy leering photographers looking for photos PURELY to get crotch and tit images for websites like this. Yes some of them are on here. And some of them will be elsewhere and some of them will no doubt be kept for private use. I have seen lots of really good WNBR images both here and elsewhere that are a good overall view of the ride. I object to the obvious up close and personal harrassment of (obviously) young, slim, female participants who's images have clearly been taken for personal gratification. Some of that harrassment has been documented in other photographs. I posted an image with permission on my blog which included the red head on the London ride who literally had a guy kneeing at her feet with a camera pointed directly upwards up the length of her body as she pushed her way from the start line to set off. Is this acceptable???? Is this documenting the ride?

No, I do not think that is acceptable. And I do not think that is what we're doing here. We are documenting the events and sharing pictures that do not focus on genitalia. Furthermore, if you take a closer look at the posts on this forum you will see that it is admiration for the riders that dominates the comments. We do not make fun of or degrade them. As to your example of the redheaded girl: That is totally unacceptable in my honest opinion.

On this site we are respectful.You say that you were surprised that most posts here were quite balanced. It would grace you if you put that on your blog.

Klondike 06-20-2013 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Drondo (Post 1533171)
This thread is starting to put me off posting anymore of my videos!

Only 21 thanks for my last video at post #650 anyway :(

Have a look at it Gen34, is it porn?

Did I get permission from every single person that appears in the video, no, clearly impossible. A naked lady walks down a street in London in broad daylight, I take a video, does that make me a pervert?

yeah, and BTW - I'm off to Seattle and kind of hope I can put this behind me too. I really didn't want to be thinking about this today, but I am. I gotta put it out of my mind...

Klondike

Klondike 06-20-2013 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Klondike (Post 1533153)
In other words, I will work ON YOUR SIDE and against all of the pervy snappers who supposedly you seem to think we all are.

My apologies for that remark - that is not true as you have stated above.

Klondike

simonlintworm 06-20-2013 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Drondo (Post 1533171)
This thread is starting to put me off posting anymore of my videos!

Only 21 thanks for my last video at post #650 anyway :(

Have a look at it Gen34, is it porn?

Did I get permission from every single person that appears in the video, no, clearly impossible. A naked lady walks down a street in London in broad daylight, I take a video, does that make me a pervert?

please don't stop posting your fantastic mind-boggling-good earthmoving material!

This thread has been clouded by negativity too much. Please lift us out of it with your awesome original material!

onedayimightwin 06-20-2013 05:52 PM

I've been documenting the ride for years. I find some photographers behaviour unacceptable for years but then I've also found some riders behaviour unexptable too. And member of the crowds that line the streets.
In everything in society there are unfortunately ones who have the potential to ruin everything. This is no different to nearly all facets of the things we partake in and enjoy in society.
I have no interest in the rest of this site, I came here originally years ago because there wasn't a centralised place for WNBR pictures. However that doesn't mean I don't look at photography either. I genuinely take pictures of people and indeed many of the women of WNBR. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think they are legends and very brave. I love to take beautiful pictures of beautiful people (in my view) doing something amazingly liberating.
What happens to these pictures? Who I may share them with and indeed how I choose to view them can't be criticised. You see, that is dependant not only on my mood but also soon the mood of the other party.
People participating in WNBR know they are going to be photographed. They know many people will have their image no matter if shared or simply the sheer amount of individuals. Some wil take arty pictures some wont. Some wil take beautiful pictures, some wont. But again how this is taken must be understood. It is in fact no different for someone to take a 'pornographic picture as it is to not. Again it is how one percieves it. I'm a professional photographer, I've studied art/photography and at the same time been fascinated with eroticism. Some one who poses for Helmut Newton in the nude may be under the disbelief that this is purely art but it is in fact not so. While I can appreciate a beautiful nude in as an art form I can also be turned on by this. That's life. If you are willing to get naked anywhere, and I have done so myself, you can only do so comfortably by excepting that while many may look soon you with simply a smile and nothing more, others may I fact find you desirable and erotic. That's how we are programmed and indeed how the media sells the body to us from when we are a child upwards. To get naked infront of anyone, wether I public by photograph or simply in the presence of others you simply cannot say "here I am, naked and all!" And then be thinking "but you better not get turned on by this"that in fact is the ultimate tease and if so, the ultimate attention seeker... If you get naked in public, deal with it. You either ARE comfortable with your body and yes your Sexuality and possibility of turning someone on (god forbid! What an insult) or you AREN'T. In which case give it more thought as you haven't come to terms with it. Life is way too short.

stevin6 06-20-2013 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drondo (Post 1533171)
This thread is starting to put me off posting anymore of my videos!

Only 21 thanks for my last video at post #650 anyway :(

Have a look at it Gen34, is it porn?

Did I get permission from every single person that appears in the video, no, clearly impossible. A naked lady walks down a street in London in broad daylight, I take a video, does that make me a pervert?

I don't know who downloaded your vids and didn't thank you for your wonderful stuff, but if i could thanks you for every time i look and will look at your stuff, much appreciated, you should easily get 210 thanks instead of 21 thanks. So please continue to post your stuff.
;)

simonlintworm 06-20-2013 07:00 PM

hxxp://www.flickr.com/photos/97219735@N03/

This user has uploaded some great photos documenting the ride on flickr. They are watermarked, so only the link is provided.

Fango 06-20-2013 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by simonlintworm (Post 1533293)
hxxp://www.flickr.com/photos/97219735@N03/

This user has uploaded some great photos documenting the ride on flickr. They are watermarked, so only the link is provided.

flickr.com/photos/97219735@N03/9045876242/in/photostream - Great pic of my favorite girl from London.

flickr.com/photos/97219735@N03/page11/?details=1 - Some nice pics of the sunglasses redhead standing and posing on this page.

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Originally Posted by Futuresearch (Post 1532603)
I would also be interested to know whether anyone else saw a girl with a red and white striped bikini during the ride - she was stunning. Not seen any pictures of her on here yet.

Is this her?

flickr.com/photos/97219735@N03/9043554367/in/photostream

Thanks and Enjoy

Fango

brolla 06-20-2013 09:04 PM

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GREAT work from all the posters - especially original photographers!

A friend emailed me these - he knows I appreciate the event - not sure where they're from, but WOW. Great smile on her....among other things.:eek:

Makes me think someone needs to start a new "Keeping the seat warm" thread :rolleyes::p:D:D:D

Fango 06-21-2013 02:07 AM

vimeo.com/68800411 - Toronto.

Enjoy

Fango

simonlintworm 06-21-2013 01:24 PM

Chicago
 
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some Chicago shots to enjoy!

Fango 06-21-2013 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by simonlintworm (Post 1533838)
some Chicago shots to enjoy!

https://forum.oneclickchicks.com/atta...4&d=1371831848

YES!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!! IT'S HER!!!!!

Congratulations, you have earned my eternal gratitude! :D

edit: And the picture is better than I could have ever hoped or wished for. Posing, hand-on-hip, smiling... just incredible.

edit2: I really like this redhead, too.

Thanks x1,000,000

Fango

jc666 06-21-2013 02:02 PM

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A handful of photos from this years Manchester Ride.


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