WNBR Portland Night Ride

[Davidavin]

Originally Posted by crispus

Irrelevant, since as alluded to in https://forum.oneclickchicks.com/show...97&postcount=5 and discussed but censored elsewhere, there's a "rule" that says an originator of a thread can have it yanked in its entirety irrespective of how many posts in it are from others; the reductio ad absurdum, of course, being someone starting a thread with one post, then never contributing more, but deciding nonetheless to have the whole thing removed...it's hard to imagine a greater disincentive to anyone posting to any thread other than ones they themselves originate, and where the hell's the OCC spirit of building collaboration reflected in that kind of practice?

Crispus, I have great respect for you and appreciate your sentiments. Collaboration is something I repeatedly sought over the years in threads that I originated. I don't know how many times I asked other members to chip in, add their own pics, keep the thread alive etc, and when others responded, I always tried to thank them. In fact, the collaborate aspects of posting, the social aspects and the exchanges with other members enriched by experience here over the years enormously.

I don't know how much material you lost in my deletions. I didn't check the threads prior. But considering that just about everything you post here is noteworthy, what was lost is a loss to occ. My state of mind last summer was a little unstable, and everything I did I did quickly as it seemed time might be short. It was also unprecedented for me. I was on the verge of removing even more stuff but got some signals from the mods.
But again, I think the pressure on the mods was the key in all this. With unlimited time, perhaps I could have limited what got deleted to just my posts. That was my initial desire.

K

[brunettesrule]

While I appreciate the efforts and contributions of everyone here, I don't think it is ever right for someone else's posts to be caught up in a deletion dragnet by another poster. Luckily, it sounds like it only caused two major threads to be deleted, but it sets a terrible precedent, especially for people who continually come into check on the developments of a particular thread.

[P2003]

I have also stopped posting (I asked a few times to have my username changed so that I could post some new material that I have but never heard back). I also considered removing some posts/threads, but ultimately decided against it. I guess I'm chiming in to say to Klondike that your enthusiasm for the material here and your own contributions were always top notch and appreciated. Sorry it has to end on a bad note for you. I'm sure I'm not alone in wanting to thank you for what you brought to this board.

[Davidavin]

Originally Posted by schlubby

This isn't about Klondike specifically, but one reason good reason to allow members to request deletion of their old posts (though not necessarily huge shared threads) is that it gives members a sense of security in posting. At least we know we have a chance to keep most of our posts from bosses or ex-wives' lawyers, if things went really bad in real life. Without that assurance, we'd probably see a lot less original content posted.

Yes, the power to delete, not just here but everywhere is a great relief to me and I've exercised that power countless times. You grow. Your opinions change. You become a better speller, debater. Your relationships change. And so on and so on. Maybe what you post here should stay here, but then everything is knowable to the powers that be so it's not like Vegas. There are no secrets on the net..

K

[Fox Mulder]

Thanks to Klondike for coming back and clearing up some things. As for the discussion here, it's not a personal attack on Klondike. That's certainly not how my comment was intended. I think what's going on here is just members trying to air concerns about what just happened and discussing how to deal with it in the future.

While deletions are a pain in the ass, Schlubby said something interesting about deletions being a fallback against bosses and ex wives attornies... in case things go wrong in real life. This brings up a whole new, but related, squirmy can of worms I feel compelled to say something about. It's the ugly underside of what we're doing here...something most of us (including me) tend to ignore. All over the Internet there are guys posting pictures of wives and other women without their knowledge. When these women find out ( and Han Solo is right, women ALWAYS find out) relationships and lives can be ruined. I'm guessing that might be behind some of the regret Klondike is feeling and frankly, me too. We alI have to grapple with the idea that when we repost those types of pictures, we're possibly contributing to someone's humiliation. Klondike wrote about escaping into the little world we create here. I fully comprehend that idea. I do a lot of escaping here myself. Here's this wonderful little place inhabited by beautiful naked women we never meet...and fun people with colorful names and avatars... that we never meet. It's all safe and annonymous. Until it isn't. Hey, I love it when there's a woman here posting her own stuff, or an open minded couple, doing it together. It's the revenge porn and the stuff posted without the woman's knowledge that gives me pause. I think that might be part of Klondike's realization. A lot of the WNBR, Freemont Solstice, Naturists and women on beaches might not care if they end up on a porn site. But certainly some do. I love the pictures, but I'm thinking less and less about this fantasy world and more and more about the real life women who unwittingly inhabit it. I don't want to moralize or judge anyone. However, If you're posting pictures of someone you care about without their consent, you probably SHOULD delete all your stuff. Then go back and have a conversation with
that person you're posting without consent. Explain how much it turns you on that other's might enjoy her pictures. She might surprise you. If everyone posted and posting here is here by choice, it's better for members, mods...everyone.

[brunettesrule]

Originally Posted by Fox Mulder

Thanks to Klondike for coming back and clearing up some things. As for the discussion here, it's not a personal attack on Klondike. That's certainly not how my comment was intended. I think what's going on here is just members trying to air concerns about what just happened and discussing how to deal with it in the future.

While deletions are a pain in the ass, Schlubby said something interesting about deletions being a fallback against bosses and ex wives attornies... in case things go wrong in real life. This brings up a whole new, but related, squirmy can of worms I feel compelled to say something about. It's the ugly underside of what we're doing here...something most of us (including me) tend to ignore. All over the Internet there are guys posting pictures of wives and other women without their knowledge. When these women find out ( and Han Solo is right, women ALWAYS find out) relationships and lives can be ruined. I'm guessing that might be behind some of the regret Klondike is feeling and frankly, me too. We alI have to grapple with the idea that when we repost those types of pictures, we're possibly contributing to someone's humiliation. Klondike wrote about escaping into the little world we create here. I fully comprehend that idea. I do a lot of escaping here myself. Here's this wonderful little place inhabited by beautiful naked women we never meet...and fun people with colorful names and avatars... that we never meet. It's all safe and annonymous. Until it isn't. Hey, I love it when there's a woman here posting her own stuff, or an open minded couple, doing it together. It's the revenge porn and the stuff posted without the woman's knowledge that gives me pause. I think that might be part of Klondike's realization. A lot of the WNBR, Freemont Solstice, Naturists and women on beaches might not care if they end up on a porn site. But certainly some do. I love the pictures, but I'm thinking less and less about this fantasy world and more and more about the real life women who unwittingly inhabit it. I don't want to moralize or judge anyone. However, If you're posting pictures of someone you care about without their consent, you probably SHOULD delete all your stuff. Then go back and have a conversation with
that person you're posting without consent. Explain how much it turns you on that other's might enjoy her pictures. She might surprise you. If everyone posted and posting here is here by choice, it's better for members, mods...everyone.

With regard to public events, though, if you are naked at a WNBR or Fremont Solstice or whatever, it really should be the understanding of anyone of average intelligence or above that your photos will appear everywhere, including porn sites. It is incredibly naive to think that your photos will appear only briefly in some alternative weekly news site.

This site has been INCREDIBLY responsible, in comparison with others, about removing photos at just about anyone's request.

[Davidavin]

Originally Posted by Fox Mulder

Thanks to Klondike for coming back and clearing up some things. As for the discussion here, it's not a personal attack on Klondike. That's certainly not how my comment was intended. I think what's going on here is just members trying to air concerns about what just happened and discussing how to deal with it in the future.

While deletions are a pain in the ass, Schlubby said something interesting about deletions being a fallback against bosses and ex wives attornies... in case things go wrong in real life. This brings up a whole new, but related, squirmy can of worms I feel compelled to say something about. It's the ugly underside of what we're doing here...something most of us (including me) tend to ignore. All over the Internet there are guys posting pictures of wives and other women without their knowledge. When these women find out ( and Han Solo is right, women ALWAYS find out) relationships and lives can be ruined. I'm guessing that might be behind some of the regret Klondike is feeling and frankly, me too. We alI have to grapple with the idea that when we repost those types of pictures, we're possibly contributing to someone's humiliation. Klondike wrote about escaping into the little world we create here. I fully comprehend that idea. I do a lot of escaping here myself. Here's this wonderful little place inhabited by beautiful naked women we never meet...and fun people with colorful names and avatars... that we never meet. It's all safe and annonymous. Until it isn't. Hey, I love it when there's a woman here posting her own stuff, or an open minded couple, doing it together. It's the revenge porn and the stuff posted without the woman's knowledge that gives me pause. I think that might be part of Klondike's realization. A lot of the WNBR, Freemont Solstice, Naturists and women on beaches might not care if they end up on a porn site. But certainly some do. I love the pictures, but I'm thinking less and less about this fantasy world and more and more about the real life women who unwittingly inhabit it. I don't want to moralize or judge anyone. However, If you're posting pictures of someone you care about without their consent, you probably SHOULD delete all your stuff. Then go back and have a conversation with
that person you're posting without consent. Explain how much it turns you on that other's might enjoy her pictures. She might surprise you. If everyone posted and posting here is here by choice, it's better for members, mods...everyone.

That's a pretty fair assessment overall.

I was thinking not long ago that I never wanted to be the type of guy that women couldn't trust. But when you shoot pics of them naked in public and then post them on line, you are establishing a relationship with them even if you don't know them personally or even talk to them. Is that a relationship based on trust? No, probably not. Am I happy about that? No, but I can get around any negative feelings by staying focused on the fantasy element and finding other ways to justify what I've done. But I think every woman that contemplates appearing naked in public makes a mental estimate beforehand as to the likelihood that they will appear naked online, then acts accordingly based on their own comfort level with that. I make mental estimates too and don't want theirs to be really low, so I try to shoot and post accordingly too. And if I've erred on the wrong side, then we have a breach of trust. But every event is different, and whether it's commercially motivated, protest oriented or would never benefit from any publicity whatsoever, all that enters into the equation too.

Anyway, I know people come here for the pics and because this thread doesn't have any yet and has been taken over by my rambling, who know what the mods will do with it. Oh, crispus did post a few. Good.

But if I had 3% of my threads here deleted, that's like saying I'm 97% guilt free overall even after having stepped outside of the fantasy bubble for a while and taken a deep breath. What remains here stays here.
I've dealt with it, both here and over at flickr. Along the way, a few others lost posts in the fallout. Hopefully with enough interest, the more popular threads can get rebuilt.

K

[crispus]

I've never had an issue with posters' deletions of their own contributions; wherever on the spectrum of motivation they fall between a fit of pique and a genuine crisis of conscience (which latter seems to have been K/D's case, and major kudos to him for his candor in discussing it), it should always be an absolute right. Nor was my issue with moderators per se, whose regrettably underappreciated efforts here are crucial to maintaining whatever decency keeps OCC above the vast majority of so much else out there in the pornosphere; rather, it was and remains about a policy that seems to me, and it would appear not a few others out there, unfair and discouraging to those who post in anyone else's thread...and with that I really, truly will shut up about it, though before y'all get too giddy, know that I'll probably simply turn my snark to other, recently more neglected, pet peeves. Here, since that's what I at least do this for, more pictures:

[torretxt]

I am late getting caught up with all of this and I finally understand your motivations after reading several related threads. Before you retire and leave completely I just wanted you to know how much you mean to me. Because of you I had the most wonderful experience in my life that has yet to be duplicated since that fateful day at Freemont.

Though I understand your sentiments about this being a porn site (along with your personal decision to retire) and that you feel you wasted an inordinate amount of time here rather than on "real" relationships, I just have to tell you that you also managed to have a positive impact on at least one person here (me, though I suspect there are others as well) and I will always be grateful to you for that. I admire your work more than you know and I appreciate your gentle support and encouragement over the years here. You are indeed a gentleman - a rare quality these days I can tell you.

I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers and I hope things work out well for you.

Torre
(Victoria)

[Davidavin]

Originally Posted by torretxt

I am late getting caught up with all of this and I finally understand your motivations after reading several related threads. Before you retire and leave completely I just wanted you to know how much you mean to me. Because of you I had the most wonderful experience in my life that has yet to be duplicated since that fateful day at Freemont.

Though I understand your sentiments about this being a porn site (along with your personal decision to retire) and that you feel you wasted an inordinate amount of time here rather than on "real" relationships, I just have to tell you that you also managed to have a positive impact on at least one person here (me, though I suspect there are others as well) and I will always be grateful to you for that. I admire your work more than you know and I appreciate your gentle support and encouragement over the years here. You are indeed a gentleman - a rare quality these days I can tell you.

I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers and I hope things work out well for you.

Torre
(Victoria)

Torre, it's always good to hear from you because you provided me with that rare opportunity to actually get to know someone on the "other side". I don't feel as though I wasted time here, especially not after hooking up with you. In fact, in the years following your fremont ride, I tried to find other potential "Torres" out there, and actually came close to succeeding once over at flickr.

It maybe appears to some that I have a lot of regrets. Not really true, especially when it comes to fremont. The minor stuff I've dealt with, and your writing only reinforces in me how positive an experience for all involved was the fremont parade every year. It reached out and touched people like yourself and changed you. It was a privilege to be a part of that. So, I wish you well. You have that special quality that symbolizes to me what the parade is all about with all its risks, rewards, and opportunities for growth and empowerment. It would have been a joy to have met you in person.

Best regards,

Klondike