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[warney59]

Hi all,
I have been a member of this forum for a while but I am coming to post now with a question. It may sound obvious but i want to judge people's reactions.
I run a film production company that deals with making short adult films for distribution over the internet by third parties. We currently produce for other sites to sell, but we are looking to make and sell short videos for ourselves.
We have been trying to guage the markets for various types of films, and one of the possibilities is ENF videos. These videos would be professionally shot, made with the elements of ENF (ie. girls tied and left for others, public stripping etc...) It is possible that we would not tell the actors what was going to happen to them to give it a more realistic element. The videos would be made by us with our story lines, but there is an option for people to pay a small fee and have their ideal video made for sale if we think it is a good enough story.
The videos would be sold through our production website, be about 10-15 minutes long, and be sold as downloads. They would retail about £5 (or $7) and you would be able to use these downloads to burn to DVD or watch on your computer.
Having been a member here for a while I think I know what you guys and girls like, but ideas and discussions from the people who would be looking at the videos would always be welcome.
What i would like to know from you is if there is a market? Would people be willing to try a few downloads that they knew were ENF based and contained real(ish) situations?
I am sorry if this is the wrong place for this, and Alex please feel free to move/delete etc... if this post is not acceptable. However, it would be greatly appreciated if people would take the time to give their thoughts. We have enjoyed success with other adult ventures that we have tried, but would like a more neiche market that we don't think is really catered for. The money is there, the time is there, the equipment is there. But is the interest there?
Feel free to ask any questions or give your views.
Thanks for your time!

[wixzer2000]

Originally Posted by warney59

Hi all,
I have been a member of this forum for a while but I am coming to post now with a question. It may sound obvious but i want to judge people's reactions.
I run a film production company that deals with making short adult films for distribution over the internet by third parties. We currently produce for other sites to sell, but we are looking to make and sell short videos for ourselves.
We have been trying to guage the markets for various types of films, and one of the possibilities is ENF videos. These videos would be professionally shot, made with the elements of ENF (ie. girls tied and left for others, public stripping etc...) It is possible that we would not tell the actors what was going to happen to them to give it a more realistic element. The videos would be made by us with our story lines, but there is an option for people to pay a small fee and have their ideal video made for sale if we think it is a good enough story.
The videos would be sold through our production website, be about 10-15 minutes long, and be sold as downloads. They would retail about £5 (or $7) and you would be able to use these downloads to burn to DVD or watch on your computer.
Having been a member here for a while I think I know what you guys and girls like, but ideas and discussions from the people who would be looking at the videos would always be welcome.
What i would like to know from you is if there is a market? Would people be willing to try a few downloads that they knew were ENF based and contained real(ish) situations?
I am sorry if this is the wrong place for this, and Alex please feel free to move/delete etc... if this post is not acceptable. However, it would be greatly appreciated if people would take the time to give their thoughts. We have enjoyed success with other adult ventures that we have tried, but would like a more neiche market that we don't think is really catered for. The money is there, the time is there, the equipment is there. But is the interest there?
Feel free to ask any questions or give your views.
Thanks for your time!

I think that this sounds like a great idea, I would definitly be interested in this kind of thing, and if there should be, mark "should", something that isn't excactly your preference, you could always skip that little movie and go on with the next. To me this sounds like a very promising thing.
Thank you

[Ford]

Definitely interested, especially if they're downloadable. I enjoy the sort of stuff Sirseph posts a lot, but any ENF type scenarios would be good, it's so hard to get hold of this kind of thing.

[oddfodder]

I would definitely be interested. A short description and short sample to verify quality would be good.

[Helmhood]

Hey Warney,

As a fan of this stuff, I say go for it, please! You are correct in saying there is not a whole lot of ENF material on the current market.

If you want some feeback from a business end, with regard to how my film "Babysitting Without a Net" (see thread below) is doing, feel free to pm me or e-mail me!

Looking forward to it,

Joe

[Alex]

warney59,

Send me a private message with details about your film production company.

Thanks,

[Sheb]

When it comes to paying for my adult entertainment I'd usually say no way in hell.... this however sounds very unique... I for one would pay to download and own such videos...

The only problem I see or have seen with other websites that have tried to fill other various 'specialty' areas is that very few are able to find and hold onto that genuine 'in the moment' amateurish feel.
They always seem to come off as being totally fake / staged....

I'm not sure how it would work out, or what type of legal issues you'd run into... but I think the idea of not telling the actors / actressess what is about to happen will make it all very interesting.

I think I can speak for anyone that has ever tried to find vids on the net..... there really is a lack of PANTSING VIDS to be found... if you can maintain the element of suprise and genuine ENF moments.... not to mention good camera angles ( LOTS OF SKIN ) .... IMHO you'd have a winner...

[smegol12]

I think it's a great idea. ENF is so hard to come by. Just look at this board. It is littered with stuff that is either non embarassed or non nude. There seems to be an abundance of voyeur, amateur, pee fetish, etc. This board started with predominately ENF material, but the defintion of ENF has gotten much much broader over time. That is not the board's fault, evidently there is not that much new material out there. Which is where you come in. Many fall short when attempting this, look at National Lampoon's strip poker. If you were able to make good production quality video featuring decent looking ENF, not smiling, not crying, or BAD acting, having to strip IN FRONT OF MEN,(I do not buy that two girls get together to play strip poker results in ENF, no matter how much money Stripgamecentral.com is making.), in a variety of storylines, you would sell many videos to each individual. Most of dnanpa's hottest sellers are of reluctant stripping in strip games and the Chikan train molester videos. i just don't have a thing for Asian chicks...in my book he's your only competition, but does not make his own videos. Also, a suggestion. #1 make one good strip poker video with multiple players and both sexes. Arrange i t where you don't see the male nudity if you want. You will make a fortune. That topic, the lack of a decent ENF strip poker game video has been the topic of more posts than possibly even the "girls on the toilet" series. #2 be specific. While this may sound silly, I think everyone came to this board for the same reason. EMBARASSED, meaning reluctant, not tearful, nor joyful...no dancing as they strip. NUDE, not covering, not hiding, not speading, not posing. They should remain EMBARASSED the entire time. And then FEMALE, obviously. Now my own personal tastes for ENF range from angry to pretty darn upset,but I get turned off by crying... but I don't think your definition should be that broad. You will lose some people if you veer to far toward a force, or **** scenario, and likewise you will lose a lot more if you veer the other way and it has a playful feel. For example, when I see a pic of a girl coming out of the shower, smiling, flipping off the camera, naked, covering, with a caption of "CAUGHT", I don't think ENF. It does nothing for me. Obviously others don't share my opinion, and I'm not knocking them for that. My point is that you should capitalize on what 99% of the people would all agree is ENF, and in my humble opinion strip poker is a genre unto itself and could be a gold mine. The last thing I'll say, and I thank you if you've read this far, is the story behind the picture or video is important. If I see a pic of a girl outside naked and it reads "locked out of her apartment" Yawn. Was it the result of a lost bet? Mugging? Wadrobe malfunction? The details are what does it. Take a look at the classic subgenres of porn. Secretary, cheerleader, MILF, sl*t, virgin, teacher etc.. I think if you focus on who they are, rather than bust size, you will be doing yourself a favor. A teacher stripping in front of a room full of students is more EMBARASSING than a nameless young nymph stripping in front of whoever. You can go to a strip club or any skinimax or pay per view movie or event and see overtly sexual, silicone enhanced bimbos strutting their stuff. The members here tune in to the likes of The Lingerie Bowl or National Lampoon, WWE wrestling, just to name a few, in hopes or seeing ENF whether staged or real and are constantly dissapointed. They search endlessly through webshots, search the entire internet for any related topic like nude beaches and college iniation and audition and amateur pages for a glimpse. They visit every related board from LOTFW's to SWOPPIX, DLAMMY's, Siggy's, Byron's, ASN, and have been doing so for YEARS, because I recognize the screen names. Ok, I'm done. It would be crazy for you not to do this. It may not be the broadest and largest fan base, but certainly the most dedicated.

[smegol12]

Accidental exposure, downblouse, upskirt, strip search, nude outside, inside, in the shower, out of the shower, flashing, top/bottom pulled down have been done to death. Assuming you aren't doing a reality show where these situations are performed with a truly reluctant amateur, I think having an actress act out these scenarios is lazy and boring. And any amateur who agrees to be put in these situations, whether paid or not, in front of one or a thousand, in my book a willing participant. Willing participants don't make for good embarassement. Even the "amatur strip poker vid" with the drunk girl that is so heavily applauded around here features a girl that is drunk, and whining about stripping, but you know she wants to be there. She never asks to get out of it. "Oh, fooey, I lost again!" Use the "oh, shit" test. If the woman doesn't say "oh shit" when she has to take off her clothes, or "oh shit" is not written all over every inch of her face, then it's transparent she's posing and no amount of setup is going to save you. How do you accomplish "oh shit"? Put a person in a real, or real looking "oh shit" situation. You see it all over...sex crazed secretaries, nurses, teacher, boss, student, cheerleader, in outfits purchased at a third rate lingerie store acting out poorly written "fantasies" on crappy sets that are poor replicas of doctor's offices, court rooms, classrooms and restaurants. With every glimpse you are reminded you are watching a stripper and it has no realism to it. I simply do not fantasize that in my real life I walked into the doctor's office and was met by a nympho nurse in crotchless panties. However, that same nurse having to strip out of her normal work clothes to decontaminate because of a biohazard in front of coworkers might garner an "oh shit". Visit the Academy of Stripping naked story board for ideas. Students forfeiting items of clothing for wrong answers, although not plausible in real life, would achieve the same thing. Naked hostages, strip games, and gang strippings in any familiar location are easy scenarios. You could get creative with courtroom witnesses having to reveal themselves in court for whatever reason. Or use a recent "O.C." storyline where the characters were stuck atop a billboard and used theire clothes to make a rope to get down. A saleslady must meet her new client at a nude spa. A reporterette interviews the local jock who demands an item of clothing for every question answered, and she really wants the story. Part two: the lockerrooms are off limits to female reporters unless they disrobe. (It's not fair that the reproters get to gawk at the athletes). Mainstream TV and movies have teased at all of the above, using camera angles, body doubles, and my favorite (not) the bare back shot. You have an opportunity to pick up where they left off, and deliver the goods. St. Elsewhere had its doctors performing surgery in the nude because the risk of infection. LAX had Locklear decontaminated. Lady cops that must strip in full view of other cops and the media...one item of clothing for every hostage released. New restaurant policy...15 minutes for your food or your waitress strips. Jane Curtain took it off for a cause. In Fortress, a teacher and her students must strip down to swim to get away from the bad guys. A recent episode of Vegas saw a lady cop going undercover at a swinger's party and playing strip poker. The scene was over right after she removed her first item of clothing. What a great setup. But of course, no delivery!! Heck, why not regular poker? Texas hold em and if you're short on the bet you have to REALLY bet it all. How embarrassing to not be in a strip game where multiple people are in various stages of undress and you are the unlucky one who must show everything, but in a regular game where the thought of nudity hadn't even occurred until too late. The HBO series Dream On did a pretty good job of this in the episode, the name of the game is five card stud, but the actress only took off her top. However, because she had lost all her money, including the money for her honeymoon, she is pissed off and bets her shirt and bra, which must be put on the table. When she loses that hand, and the clothes, she is really embarassed, and sits covering her breasts for the remainder of the episode. Lotfw's Scenes of Stripping Database is a good source for ideas.Takes some work, planning, and can be screwed up royally with poor sets or "costumes". "Babysitting" took the effort and it paid off. On the other hand, I've seen girls, I've seen girls naked, and I've seen girls naked outside, and there's even bondage sites dedicated to girls tied up naked outside. Ho hum.

[marcello]

I would certainly buy at least one video to check it out if it looked good. If it was good, and not too shy with the nudity I'm sure I'd buy more.